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I'm thinking of a t-shirt with a body hanging by it's entrails from a lamppost. Caption:
"Has he chosen his lampost yet?"
I'm sure someone will come up with something better.
People of America really wants this in the country for the betterment. ! 🤔
The court of the mad king and his jesters… and the drama continues… he is dangerous.
In France they invented the guillotine for this. Very efficient.
Github's recent changes broke release downloads but fortunately the wget solution posted in a gh thread about this works on linux.
until wget -c <url>; do :; done
Replacing <url> with the direct link to the file you're downloading.
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OpenAI told Fortune, “We extend our deepest sympathies to the Raine family during this difficult time and are reviewing the filing.”Muskaan Arshad (Fortune)
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“The judge’s order makes it clear that we cannot judge a book by its cover or a maliciously selected excerpt out of context”
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i wanna find some musicians in fediverse... it still feels very programmer-centric and my music friends are overwhemingly on bluesky
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Hi @SnugglyBunne and welcome back!
@etherdiver is an essential follow for discovering musicians and songwriters on the Fediverse.
@labr is a live radio station that frequently features DJs and artists on the Fediverse.
Hashtags are a great way of finding artists. #BandcampFriday was earlier this month and many artists were using the opportunity to promote their choons. #Rock, #Metal, #Pop, #Soul, #Synth, #Folk, or even just #music are all active hashtags. You could explore the #Fedivision hashtag for a bunch of Fedi-artists too.
Also, you could post your own work and let yourself be found. If you have something particular you’d like to promote, let me know - I’m usually up for boosting art on the Fediverse!
Good luck finding your peeps!!
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uploaded this song of mine on makertube
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#music #dance #trance #hypertrance #mastoart
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I agree in spirit, but man... Its only 50% rentseeking... My elderly parents and computer illiterate siblings and coworkers would get in trouble fast if they weren't constrained by 3 software platforms: mint software manager, android play, and MS whatchamacallit. I have pounded it into their heads: never download software candy from strangers. (I live in an anti-apple pocket of the world)
But then, i guess all three of those do let you do your own thing to varying degrees.
Even the term "Side loading", makes it sound non-standard and risky. Which of course, it doesnt have to be.
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Google will block sideloading of unverified Android apps starting next year
Google says it’s no different than checking IDs at the airport.Ryan Whitwam (Ars Technica)
Denzil, nope. G****e demands you give them your private app signing keys, breaking any thrust chain this way.
Giving away your private signing keys breaks any thrust chain. It is just the opposite.
Once you’ve bought the hardware, it’s yours, not a lease where the vendor still dictates your choices. Calling it sideloading makes it sound like something shady, when it’s just freedom to install what you want.
But would this “security measure” also affect app stores that are already more secure than Google’s Play Store, like @fdroidorg ?
Bold of you to assume that your phone is really "yours". I'm sure that by buying one Google owns your soul and that of your firstborn.
We need more competition in the Mobile OS market, and Google needs to be hit with a big enough antitrust suit to cripple them for a couple of decades.
Apple too. And MS...
I don't understand how companies managed to get people to accept this...
the whole case of why I've always had an Android phone: I'm a dev, if I want something I can write and install it.
I almost never do of course, but it's completely fucked up for Google to expect me to register an account with their service to receive their blessed key material in order to install my stupid side project on my own device
but Eugen, developers will continue to be free to distribute their apps off of Google Play and sideloading remains unaffected!
(as long as the apps are signed by Google shhhhhhhh don't tell the regulators, the whole walled garden thing has been going so well for Apple)

on one side, how different is what Google is proposing from what Mozilla has been doing with side-loaded extensions, which they have to certificate even if you host them yourself?
on the other side, why did I see no one complaining about the Mozilla stance on this?
I'd argue there's a critical reason besides rent-seeking: security.
It's a genuine conflict between user rights and the need to protect the average person. Phones hold our banking apps, 2FA tokens, mics, cameras, and countless secrets.
When a sideloaded app steals data, the user doesn't say, "My sideloaded app failed." They say, "My Android/iPhone got hacked." The OS developer takes the blame.
Android's approach—allowing it, but behind a clear security warning—seems like a decent compromise in this difficult balancing act.
Amen! And then there's my cars infotainment center that I can't even sideload!
Edit: I'm sure there are some absurdly smart people here who could tear apart the dash board and hard wire into the computers pinout to do it. But that's a little beyond my capabilities.
I agree: if someone buys a "computer" or a general purpose device, your point certainly holds.
But on the other side of a fine line I imagine (perhaps older) game consoles: when the original Nintendo came out, that company was not expected to help you run Atari software on their hardware.
They'd not prevent it - if you could figure out it, good on you. But Nintendo shouldn't be expected to make that work.
Not-supporting versus actively-preventing is the key difference for me.
I did not know of this word. It sounds a bit like the word ”jaywalking” which was invented by car companies to shame pedestrians into getting out of the way.
As someone who developed operating systems for 50 years I know that there are reasonable cases; but, as none are relevant to Google’s latest behavior, I will not elaborate.
Since a mobile device is mostly a general purpose system you should be able to run any software that doesn’t violate laws and it’s not the OS vendor’s responsibility to enforce laws except those regulating the radios in the device.
I like the term “rent seeker”.
Like Jaywalker is the rent seeker for car companies.
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It is known that sideloading is a real risk for most of Android users*
*The bad guy comes to your home, enable ADB debug, you let him connect your phone, you give him your pin, you let him few moment to load a naughty apk (bring coffees) and VOILÀ ! 🔥
BTW I had today to clean a fully stock up to date Android (you even can install bank app on) because of a "legit" Play Store bloatware setup'd lots of other adware apks 👍
Debian is the friendliest system for civil society.
This list of replies is a hilarious string of people pretending that they’ve never looked at someone’s Windows machine *so completely fucked up with malware and viruses that the owner just blithely clicked on and installed* that the only solution was to nuke it from space and *buy a whole new computer*
For a good fifteen years the number one reason for tossing perfectly good hardware and buying a newer Win PC was virus/malware infestation. Might still be, I have no idea.
at this point I just want a fucking slab that lets me call from Linux.
I want postmarketOS on an AMD Ryzen with only 64bits (dump the 32, make a bloody atom ryzen you cowards), and a pure-64 Steam build. I want a slab that lets me play anime games if I bloody want to. And deploy a Linux fleet management solution. AND JUST LET ME DO MY THING.
yes, but...
Ma and Pa _need_ some form of sandbox. Sandboxing should be optional. But some form of sandboxing should exist when non-tech people will use computers.
It's a dangerous world.
Sideloading as a word was coined in 1990
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidelo…
Please stop spreading lies to make people angry
Especially as this newest move of Google is redundant: play protect is already built in all Google play services using phones.
It already flashed and remains suspicious Appa and known malware from all sources.
So how exactly is locking down the signing keys for apps that are allowed to run at all and connecting them with government ID for developers helping security?
This purely an anticompetitive measure.
counter-point: run your software outside this rentseekers sandbox then. it’s absolutely a bad look for them if something happens to you while in their ecosystem (randsomware, malware, identity theft, etc.)
just because you own the physical memory registers doesn’t mean you’re ever making use of them without this rentseekers work and IP.
While I agree with the pejorative sounding term “sideloading” when used to describe general PC or smartphone platforms, there are different computing platforms with different use cases.
You definitely do not want to allow running “software of your choosing” on voting machines, ATM or POS terminals, even by people who own them. That’s because these computing devices are a part of a complex, mission-critical workflow, where each part needs to provide specific technical and legal assurances, contributing to the whole chain of custody. You can’t provide legal assurances on a device for which a lawyer in a court can plausibly argue that it was running some random software and manipulated the data it processed.
Having declared this edge case, I fully agree that if you purchase a smartphone or PC you should be allowed to disable the certification layer and run any software you like. A the same time, you should be also aware that software that relies on the chain of custody may refuse to run on such devices and it’s fully justified.
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*(Warning: does not work^ at night, so get your kicks—shutter clicks?—while you can!)
^(Well, not without batteries. But then you’re getting devices for self-illumination…)
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"Collar of Quiet"???
More like "Rusty Gate Hinge in Gusty Winds, at 5am Daily".
Really Nice picture!
He'd look better with duct tape wrapped around his bill.🤣
😂 I wasn't aware collared doves made a lot of noise. But there aren't many around where I live.
Our native doves make the nicest softest "coo". They get a little repetitive, but, its a soothing sound.
The Eurasions have run most of them off now. And their sound is not pleasant, and goes on repetitively and seemingly forever. Especially in spring.
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We apologize for a period of extreme slowness today. The army of AI crawlers just leveled up and hit us very badly.
The good news: We're keeping up with the additional load of new users moving to Codeberg. Welcome aboard, we're happy to have you here. After adjusting the AI crawler protections, performance significantly improved again.
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We have a list of explicitly blocked IP ranges. However, a configuration oversight on our part only blocked these ranges on the "normal" routes. The "anubis-protected" routes didn't consider the challenge. It was not a problem while Anubis also protected from the crawlers on the other routes.
However, now that they managed to break through Anubis, there was nothing stopping these armies.
It took us a while to identify and fix the config issue, but we're safe again (for now).
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ouch. This remains a cat-and-mouse game.
At least having them solve the Anubis challenge does cost them extra resources, but if they can do that at scale, it doesn't promise a lot of good.
This is a great number, but I have seen higher in my career. Unfortunately I either have no screenshots or lost what I already have.
5831.24 is pretty good though. Congrats for hitting, hope your head doesn't hurt. :D
meta/hardware/achtermann.md at main
meta - Organizational repo for Codeberg's Infrastructure: Documentation, Organizing, Planning.Codeberg.org
It's easy to get them (e.g. from projectdiscovery)
>now that they managed to break through Anubis
There was no break - it's a simple matter of changing the useragent, or if for some reason there's still a challenge, simply utilizing the plentiful computing power that is available on their servers (which far outstrips the processing power mobile devices have).
Anubis is evil and is proprietary malware - please do not attack your users with proprietary malware.
If you want to stop scraper bots, start serving GNUzip bombs - you can't scrape when your server RAM is full.
dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=10 | gzip > /tmp/10GiB.gz
dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=100 | gzip > /tmp/100GiB.gz
dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=1025 | gzip > /tmp/1TiB.gz
nginx; #serve gzip bombs
location ~* /bombs-path/.*\.gz {
add_header Content-Encoding "gzip";
default_type "text/html";
}
#serve zstd bombs
location ~* /bombs-path/.*\.zst {
add_header Content-Encoding "zstd";
default_type "text/html";
}
Then it's a matter of bait links that the user won't see, but bots will.
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@Suiseiseki Anubis is the option that saved us a lot of work over the past months. We are not happy about it being open core or using GitHub sponsors, but we acknowledge the position from the maintainer: codeberg.org/forgejo/discussio…
Calling our usage of anubis an attack on our users is far-fetched. But feel free to move elsewhere, or host an alternative without resorting to extreme measures. We're happy to see working proof that any other protection can be scaled up to the level of Codeberg. ~f
Anubis - using proof-of-work to stop AI crawlers
- https://xeiaso.net/notes/2025/amazon-crawler/ - https://anubis.techaro.lol/ - https://anubis.techaro.Codeberg.org
@Suiseiseki BTW, we're also actively following the work around iocaine, e.g. come-from.mad-scientist.club/@…
However, as far as we can see, it does not sufficiently protect from crawling. As the bot armies successfully spread over many servers and addresses, damaging one of them doesn't prevent the next one from doing harmful requests, unfortunately. ~f
A lot of users can not pass Anubis challenges because Anubis does not support every browser and is also incompatible with popular security focussed browser extensions such as JShelter.
Asking your users to enable JavaScript and to disable security extensions like JShelter in order to visit your website is very bad, don't you agree?
I don't think it is far-fetched to call it an attack on your users at all.
Saying Anubis is the only solution the scraper problem is a false dilemma. There are many other methods of stopping scrapers.
This is extremely bad for accessibility and I consider it exclusionary for many people who want to contribute to free software, but now can't do.
>can be scaled up to the level of Codeberg
He says, on the federated network.
1) Put /botsfuckoff/ path redirect to script that randomly generates 200 links to itself whenever it's accessed
2) Deny in robots.txt
3) Put hidden link to it at the top of the home page
I believe @Suiseiseki is not referring to codebergs usage of anubis specifically, rather shares fsfs' stance (which I don't share) that Anubis "acts like malware" for making "calculations that a user does not want done": fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/our-sma…
fsf saying fsf things :)
@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com “We are not happy about it being open core … GH sponsors”
Do you have better suggestions for how we can have a sustainable OSS model that isn’t entirely dependent on core contributors of major projects having full time jobs and then supporting everyone else in whatever free time they might have?
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I have a follow up question, though, @Codeberg, re: @zacchiro's question. Is it *possible* that giant human farms of Anubis challenge-solvers actually did it? Or did it all happen so fast that there is no way it could be that?
#Huawei surely could fund such a farm and the routing software needed to get the challenge to the human and back to the bot quickly enough that it might *seem* the bot did it.
@bkuhn
Anubis challenges are not solved by humans. It's not like a captcha. It's a challenge that the browser computes, based on the assumption that crawlers don't run real browsers for performance reasons and only implement simpler crawlers.
So at least one crawler now seems to emulate enough browser behaviour to make it pass the anubis challenge. ~f
@zacchiro
I get it now.
Thanks for taking the time to clue me in.
I'm lucky that I haven't needed to learn about this until now and I'm so sorry you've had to do all this work to fight this LLM training DDoS!
Cc: @zacchiro
Good luck with fighting the bots. I recently moved my OSDev project and site to Codeberg from GitHub and so far it’s been great!
Thank you for helping the open-source community!
Now what needs to happen is that part of the challenge computes a known answer while the other part does useful computational work, and there's no way for the 'bot to tell which is which -- so it has to do both.
That could maybe contribute computing power to something important like Folding@Home, or even just something pretty like Electric Sheep.
@woozle This topic was discussed in the past. The problem is that cutting useful work in small chunks AND verifying it is very difficult. It might work for some cryptocurrencies, but that's nothing we're interested in.
A proof of concept is more than welcome, but I don't yet know if anyone found a suitable task for this.
~f
(on further thought) ...or is it?
- Create a set of N problems.
- Solve a sampling of them.
- Require the bot to solve all of them.
- If the bot's solutions to the solved set don't match, then it fails the whole test.
Might that work? I guess there could be problems with trustability of the "unknown" answers -- does that look like the main issue to be solved?
@woozle Remember that users want to get through the challenge page quickly. So the more samples you have, the simpler the individual problems need to be.
~f
@woozle
I tend to think that if I had "plenty of free time to fight them," I'd dynamically identify which ones were bots, and then honor their requests, but also keep feeding them harder and harder problems to solve, making their costs "go through the roof" quite quickly. And maybe even give them misleading garbage data.
But the would be a lot of work, of course.
And it would be risky, as one might occasionally wrongly identify an actual valid real user.
ChatGPT Agent Passes CAPTCHA Test, Exposes Flaws in Bot Detection Systems
A new shift in online security is unfolding as OpenAI’s autonomous ChatGPT Agent has cracked one of the internet’s most common anti-bot challenges - Cloudflare’Simran Mishra (Analytics Insight)
These companies are evidently willing to pay an absolutely staggering cost to do their scraping.
I wonder, are they paying with their own money, or are they “borrowing” some unsuspecting strangers' compromised computers/routers/etc to do the work?
Sev negative one: huawei bound scrapers are bypassing Anubis
I found out about this on Hacker News: https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/115033790447125787 Contact Codeberg to find out what is going on Give them an emergency fix Contribute better detection l...Xe (GitHub)
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[Chinese] cnblogs.com/gt-it/p/18271287GitCode, a code hosting platform, a joint venture of HuaweiCloud and CSDN (should be a blog service, basically a content farm now) [Chinese] qbitai.com/2023/09/85598.html
CSDN 大规模抓取 GitHub 上的项目到 GitCode,伪造开发者主页引公愤
事件起因 CSDN旗下的GitCode最近因为一种极其不道德的行为引起了开发者的广泛愤怒和抗议。CSDN在没有通知或征求开发者同意的情况下,悄悄地将大量GitHub上的开源项目搬运到了其自己的GitCode平台上,并为这些项目的开发者创建了开发者主页。这个行为不仅侵犯了开发者的知识产权和劳动成果,也gt-it (博客园)
"AI crawlers learned how to solve the Anubis challenges"
Why does EU discuss chat control and not AI crawlers control again?
eBPF could be more effective and easy on the CPU, since it acts on a way lower network layer. Anubis kinda has it's limits and it's way too easy to circumvent (as you found out)
Maybe it's worth it to consider eBPF (if not already happened)
And thanks guys for your work. I'm a proud supporter and I'll continue to support your work. Companies shouldn't control the Open Source space
Anubis is extremely easy to bypass, you just have to change the User-Agent to not contain Mozilla, please get proper bot protection.
ulveon.net/p/2025-08-09-vangua…
This post talks briefly about other alternatives. Try Berghain, Balooproxy, or go-away.
Vanguard (Part 1): Telegram raid protection
Over the past weeks, I’ve been immersed in developing Vanguard. Initially it was little more than a hack, which was developed quickly and without much consideration towards the cleanliness of the code.Ulveon's Thoughts
Have you looked into serving these LLM crawlers alternative versions of the site, with poisoned data? (And rate-limiting, of course.) I know it would be additional work for you to implement this, but... it might be effective.
I'm thinking you could have a precomputed set of 1000 different poison repos that get served up randomly, each of which is a Markov-chain-scrambled version of the files in a real repo.
(I wrote codeberg.org/timmc/marko to do something similar to the contents of my blog posts—a Markov model on either characters or words.)
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😲🤬 re: what's happened to @Codeberg today.
The AI ballyhoo *is* a real DDoS against one of the few code hosting sites that takes a stand against slurping #FOSS code into LLM training sets — in violation of #copyleft.
Deregulation/lack-of-regulation will bring more of this. ∃ plenty of blame to go around, but #Microsoft & #GitHub deserve the bulk of it; they trailblazed the idea that FOSS code-hosting sites are lucrative targets.
#GiveUpGitHub #FreeSoftware #OpenSource
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@bkuhn if anyone need it, there is this gist showing how to pseudo-automate repository bulk deletion.
gist.github.com/mrkpatchaa/637…
and this tool
reporemover.xyz very handy
Bulk delete github repos
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IMO, @serk, the better move is not to delete the repository, but to do something like I've done here with my personal “small hacks” repository:
I'm going to try to make a short video of how to do this, step by step. The main thing is that rather than 404'ing, the repository now spreads the message that we should #GiveUpGitHub!
GitHub - bkuhn/small-hacks: Give Up GitHub
Give Up GitHub. Contribute to bkuhn/small-hacks development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
@bkuhn @serk When @librecast moved our repos I wrote a script to wipe the GitHub repo and replace it with the #GiveUpGitHub README:
codeberg.org/librecast/giveupg…
giveupgithub.sh
Quick bash script to replace repos on github with the SFC "Give Up GitHub" README.mdCodeberg.org
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@gturri Anubis sends a challenge. The browser needs to compute the answer with "heavy" work. The server then has "light" work and verifies the challenge.
As far as we can tell, the crawlers actually do the computation and send the correct response. ~f
Spammy sources could be those that open new connections too often, transfer too many bytes, or have too many open active connections. All of those kinds of things can be accounted in nftables.
Yuck. That does suck. But anything that makes a client stand out can be used to change that clients network priority. In this case perhaps to boost the priority of packets of clients who have initiated more than one connection in the last hour. For those in the questionable group, send them to underpowered servers that return web pages that say "click xyz to continue to your requested page" once you've identified a likely real client they get elevated packet priority and
@Codeberg
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Shuttled to a different back end server. The idea being to make the experience good for clients that act normal and low availability for clients that only connect once a week or once a day or etc. Plus make the questionable client run OCR and LLM on your click page to figure out how to get past it. Easy for a human, expensive for a bot.
Its obviously whack a mole. But if latency is 500-1000ms for bullshit clients and 50ms for your real clients then this is what you want.
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My favorite thing about right wing liars is that they'll accidentally fool other right wing liars into exposing them.
Utah republicans 100% would've faked their report on trans youth if they knew the data wasn't actually on their side but frauds like the cass review tricked them into honesty.
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If you can accept that chairs can have varying functionality and be made of different material yet still all be valid chairs you can do the same for trans women and trans men. #transgender
A consideration already made for cis people of course, it's just inconsistently applied when trans people are involved
Is there a #FOSS self-hosted version of discord?
What about something similar to twitch that does streaming?
One of the reasons twitch is popular is because it's easy to have your audience help support the cost of running your channel. So, systems for micropayment are also an area for possible future expansion.
Or are there technical hurdles or cost hurdles to building such things?
#OSS
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Payments are a problem because any time you touch real money you're dealing with 8000lb gorillas (Visa, MasterCard, Thiel's PayPal, Canada's 6 banks, etc) or with bogus "money" you're dealing with Nazis and other crypto grifters.
You can do crypto transfers with python, it's very code-able, but none of the coins are stable enough to make this viable. And, of course, how do you get money into and out of the system?
I do think the payment network problem is important for the alternative web. Using patreon or paypay isn't great.
What about partnering with a credit union?
The problem with money is as soon as you make systems that do anything with money you are swarmed by grifters and need to be perfect.
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@silvermoon82 I've been trying to work out where GNU Taler sits in this zone: banks have KYC requirements which preclude some innovative stuff.
Maybe the trick would be to set up a fiscal edge node: i.e. a credit union which had the situational awareness and expertise to handle integrating and also working with free software people.
And that'd be a great hobby to do with all our free time and money! /s
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#Wero might become the next best thing?
www.wero-wallet.eu
It's kinda Paypal done by European banks (🇩🇪🇫🇷🇧🇪🇳🇱), without any fees.
Not sure if it will be available internationally.
But the two major German coop banking groups are on board, so that might be as good as it gets from a "power to the people" perspective.
In Canada we have Interac email transfers. To and from any (?) Canadian bank account, low or no fee (some small banks still charge $5, I think?), but still subject to opinions of the 6 apex banks so have to be careful about sex and drugs and such.
That is so civilized. Meanwhile in the US they just eliminated the free electronic way to do your taxes.
Not to save money. So that you either have to do the form by hand OR pay one of the many "services" to do your taxes.
Why doesn't that make more people as angry as it makes me? I suppose most people still use the services. And it's just $100 bucks or so, going to whoever and NOT the government.
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You don't have to just pay taxes. You have to pay the tax collector too.
Yeah, the tax-paying situation is ridiculous here, too. Not as bad, but bad.
Then there's the Nordic countries, where once a year you get a form from the revenue service that says "This look right? Anything to add? Sign here" and your taxes are done.
"Why doesn't that make more people as angry as it makes me?"
What are you going to do, if you support the idea of a state? Once you accept a state you accept that it can do whatever it wants, in practice, because the alternative is no state and you don't want that.
In this case it's like the state wants you to pay $100 in taxes to a state crony. So yes, historically all states are corrupt. It's a better use of your taxes than funding the military.
Sometimes when the state does things people get angry about it. I don't see how this answers the question.
Are you saying it can't be changed? That isn't true. There is a great deal of inertia and other issues that compete for attention and time. But, there is a principle here:
There should not be third party fee for basic government services and interactions.
I am wondering if this value exists for many people.
"Sometimes when the state does things people get angry about it."
I think that this gets absorbed into the general, and politically not fruitful, anger that people always feel about paying taxes.
I don't see any principle in this case at all. The state can do whatever it wants, like commit genocide. Since people don't care or can't do anything about the genocide why stand on principle about some corruption.
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There is *no reason* why it couldn't work this way in the US. Or rather there is no rational reason other than a deliberate ongoing pressure to make all government services and interactions terrible lest the people start liking anything about the process.
And the people who say "we need to privatize* it" are often behind the poor service, and deliberate Obfuscation.
*Think of the last time you were on hold. Are private companies "better"? No.
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@mensrea @silvermoon82 @billiglarper no reason except for lobbying. propublica.org/article/inside-…
NZ being a mostly reasonable country also has the "we'll tell you what your taxes are" approach.
Inside TurboTax’s 20-Year Fight to Stop Americans From Filing Their Taxes for Free
Using lobbying, the revolving door and “dark pattern” customer tricks, Intuit fended off the government’s attempts to make tax filing free and easy, and created its multi-billion-dollar franchise.ProPublica
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@mensrea @silvermoon82 @billiglarper There is one reason, Grover Norquist.
But, you're right, Norquist isn't rational.
There should be a Federal tax boycott.
1. Fed taxes are the financial foundation of the oppression machine now.
2. Every service we pay taxes *for* is being dismantled.
3. The regime stupidly crippled the IRS and its ability to go after tax evaders, let 300 million at once.
And now they're making it harder to pay taxes anyway. So fuck 'em.
I have thought GNU Taler could be interesting for payment handling.
It's a system designed to provide a digital cash like protocol, in use it might actually be kind of like poker chips. It using a form of cryptography to implement it, but it's not a proof of work system like the right wing cryptocurrencies.
Customers would buy tokens from an issuer with some currency, be able to anonymously purchase items from vendors using those tokens, who then can deposit the tokens with a transaction log, and be able to redeem them for the original currency.
The developers have done some test deployments at an EU university and they've got some prototype django websites and android apps available.
I suspect the next actions are doing security review of the code, find a pool of people interested, and figure out governance and business organization issues.
I think doing modest purchases like the prices for I see for quick art commissions or donations (<$40) to a stream probably could be set up with a small business
But to really roll it out my guess would be to found a credit union, and then that could offer issuing taler tokens to it's community
Here's the NCUA documentation on founding a credit union, and they recommended figuring out your community and raising about $500,000 USD to be able to start.
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GNU Taler - Taxable Anonymous Libre Electronic Resources
A payment system that makes privacy-friendly online transactions fast and easy.www.taler.net
This is so cool! I've never even considered the concept of a local non-profit credit union ... you know not for old people. The focus should be digital payment independence.
I assume if you try to do this someone from Mastercard comes to your house and beats you up. But I just found my old bike lock and it is very heavy.
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I think key to making this work would be having many limits on size of accounts and to keep it local so you know who is in it.
And never lend any money.
hmmm
I absolutely think something like my work campus's stored value card would be a great use case for Taler.
For a while we could deposit money on our ID cards and then spend it at stuff like the coffee shop or the library photocopiers.
I think that's a good low risk situation to experiment with Taler.
Also one their, demos included issuing a fictitious currency "Kudos" which you could spend on FOSS projects.
So I bet one could also make up an ARG game that uses fake currency issued via Taler as digital playing pieces, for a really low risk way of experimenting.
>But I just found my old bike lock and it is very heavy.
LOL, your family and online friends are very lucky to have you.
When my mom became interested in bitcoin I decided to learn about it because the way that my mom works is if she wants to know about something she will get into it and you can do it with her... or she will do it on her own. I wanted to keep her safe.
So I learned how the whole thing works. I had some bitcoin left over from years ago and set up a wallet for her. We did transfers with my own code in terminal.
Fun mother-daughter bonding!
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We had to use coinbase to get the money out and that annoyed me. The alternative was going on facebook and using shady "cash for bitcoin in person" groups. *shudder*
But I can see why people had utopian ideas about the technology.
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@silvermoon82 USDC is stable enough and Solana is maybe an OK solution.
Getting it in and out though, THAT is a huge problem in the USA. First, you have to use an exchange unless you want to find someone that'll trade money for coin (very possibly a criminal). They are all owned and run by terrible people. Then there's the KYC process, which is entirely automated by AI.
Could maybe partner to create a better USDC option for people. Something with real customer support and shit.
@silvermoon82 Probably. I'm not sure what, if any regulations are around USDC. Circle is the company that is mainly behind that one.
Theoretically anyone could take in USD and put out a token they promise can be cashed for USD. Getting people to accept it though...
I would really like an actual bank account that held USDC but the choices there are VERY limited in the US. You may need to get e-residency somewhere for that, though I did find a CU a couple hund miles away that may
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The problem with twitch is the enormous bandwidth and computing power needed to distribute the stream all over the world in close to real time. Chat-interaction seems to bring many people to the platform. And that gets increasingly difficult the longer the delay between streamer and viewer becomes. Open P2P platforms start with an extreme disadvantage in that regard.
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@Gib 🐒🌈🇺🇦 @myrmepropagandist I disagree with your initial assessment. Discord's value proposition isn't its IRC-like channel feature or built-in video/audio chat, but the seamless Single Sign-On experience once you've created your account when you want to join an additional server. Until this is possible with Revolt (and this post in the same thread suggests it isn't yet), Discord won't be easy to replace.
ive got experience with this. frankly, most of the other replies are not goodfor discord, matrix and revolt. revolt is an attempt at a discord clone directly, but isnt federated or e2ee iirc. matrix is, and supports video calls; but it's not a 1:1 copy, is a pain to host, provides little in the way of moderation tools. for matrix, the best client is cinny for a discord-like experience
for twitch, people will suggest owncast and openstreamingplatform - theyre woefully inadequate if you want a twitch-like experience unless you're ready to make lots of changes. that said, there is a new attempt at a federated twitch alternative i saw the other day. ill try to find it again
ive got experience with this. frankly, most of the other replies are not good
for discord, matrix and revolt. revolt is an attempt at a discord clone directly, but isnt federated or e2ee iirc. matrix is, and supports video calls; but it's not a 1:1 copy, is a pain to host, provides little in the way of moderation tools. for matrix, the best client is cinny for a discord-like experience
for twitch, people will suggest owncast and openstreamingplatform - theyre woefully inadequate if you want a twitch-like experience unless you're ready to make lots of changes. that said, there is a new attempt at a federated twitch alternative i saw the other day. ill try to find it again
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I've looked into this sort of stuff a few times, and have come to the same conclusion pretty much every time: none of the payment infrastructure (both technical and legal) is remotely built for self-hosting.
Even if you add support for a particular reasonable-API-having payment provider, or even multiple, it's always going to limit who can actually use that feature due to region-specific coverage, sanctions, and so on. And even if that somehow works out, under a lot of circumstances you take on additional tax liabilities by actually doing so because payment processors simply will not give you an account without a company registration, usually. Not to mention all the verification processes.
Specifically for micropayments there's an additional problem: platforms can make these happen because they do a single charge for multiple bundled payments (to different creators), or even just operate a prepaid balance thing (which itself also has extra tax liabilities). This is necessary because most payment methods have base per-transaction costs that are like $0.50, so anything smaller than $2 isn't even really worth processing. But when you self-host, there's nothing to bundle *with* and so that's going to eat into your revenue significantly.
So... is it *possible* to integrate payments and/or donations into FOSS software? With a lot of effort and headaches, yeah, possibly. Can it be competitive financially/administratively with the big platforms if you do? Probably not.
People ask about FOSS alternatives to Discord a lot, and there really isn't a viable alternative. The main things Discord has going for it are a common interface for text, voice, and video chat, and a good set of moderation tools. I can't think of anything else that does all that.
The most frequently mentioned candidate is Matrix, but Matrix has many problems. It has practically no moderation tools, and while ostensibly designed for self-hosting, has exceedingly high resource usage.
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As purely informational, PeerTube has optional monetization plugins, but the only one of those plugins I feel is viable currently is a premium content plugin that works with a Stripe account to accept payment for a subscription. PeerTube has live streaming but is harder to self-host than Owncast. I currently use PeerTube now but have used Owncast before.
As for Discord alternatives, I think XMPP with the Movim front end works well. It’s way more lightweight than Matrix and allows you to also blog with it if you want. There are some easy to self host XMPP servers.
Someone already mentioned webmonitization which is powered by Interledger which I agree could offer some options, but I think it needs a lot of buy-in from a LOT of financial institutions before it gets to a point that it could offer a way to survive financially for users. I don’t know too many details though.
To the monetization question specifically: I have seen that pixelfed is planning on integrating webmonetization.org/ for monetization.
It looks like that's a draft standard but if it does start to take off, it would make a huge difference in the space.
Web Monetization
The Web Monetization API allows websites to automatically and passively receive payments from Web Monetization-enabled visitors.webmonetization.org
payment processing is essentially a no go besides pretty much just paying a company a lot of money to do it for you because payment processors do not allow sensible usage
Also there's tax issues and whatnot
That is all to say, most folks just stay away from payment things. The only thing possible to impl without paying anyone is cryptocurrency.
As for FOSS discord, there are many attempts. I wouldn't say any had success.
As for streaming, it's a pretty difficult problem. Huge amounts of bandwidth needed, depending on how many concurrent streams you want.
People have already mentioned Matrix and Revolt. These are definitely the closest to Discord in the way that Discord works.
I do want to add that Discord is a modern thing that in many ways actually isn't so different from the ancient tech of IRC. IRC was text only, whereas Discord and the similar things can implement media, but otherwise the basic mechanisms weren't so dissimilar. (There were still methods of transferring files, but they're P2P, so require open ports and didn't embed.)
Revolt is probably the closest to being a viable competitor to Discord. Matrix is better in some ways, but doesn't seem to be taking off.
I'm not sure what could truly replace Twitch or Youtube or etc. The bandwidth those things use today is wild. Owncast/etc are for small scales.
in the mid-2000s, that would be irc and shoutcast (and if you wanted live chat you'd just run the channel name in your stream somewhere and people will join)
if you needed a bigger pipe, someone runs a relay and the audience connects to that instead
somehow, technology has gone _backwards_ from there
There's revolt.chat
Their GitHub has a repo for self hosting the server. When I used it, it felt very similar to Discord. I opted to not use it for our migration because being able to use the app with multiple services was a goal, so we went XMPP (a ton of tradeoffs with this too).
If it's been mentioned already, I apologize for the repetition, but as far as an alternative for discord, maybe check out www.discourse.org? I know little about it, at least in any detail, but it's a modern take on forum software. You can pay for hosting, but it appears to be open source and self hostable. Also, you can start with paid hosting to experiment with it and migrate to self hosting later if desired with, I believe, help from their support team, although I suspect that support isn't included in the basic plan.
One of the cofounders is Jeff Atwood, @codinghorror, who can no doubt correct any egregious errors I've made above.
@DaleHagglund @codinghorror Discourse is open source forum software to which chat functionality has been added; Discord is a chat service to which forum functionality has been added. The difference shows in the implementation.
Discourse is open source and well maintained. It's thoughtfully designed to help foster and grow a community. It's not hard to self-host, and there are multiple sources of full-service hosting. It has a Subscriptions plug-in that integrates with Stripe I think, though I haven't deployed it myself.
Unlike with WordPress, the company that builds Discourse (Civilized Discourse Construction Kit) works actively and cooperatively with multiple third parties that host and extend Discourse, including recommending their services and even sponsoring outside parties' work on the code.
It's a really shining example of how to do open source right.
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Can it support real-time chat with video? How good is at doing that?
@DaleHagglund @codinghorror Discord does not have video chat built in; the integrated chat feature is text chat. The plug-in ecosystem supports both major open source video chat platforms I'm aware of:
meta.discourse.org/t/jitsi-vid…
meta.discourse.org/t/bigbluebu…
I have not used either, so I don't have experience with deploying them, but they are available. If I were starting out from scratch today to build something like this for a community site, based only on my gist of what I remember hearing/reading from others, I'd try jitsi first.
In both cases, you need to follow the documentation for the chat platform (Jitsi or BigBlueButton) to set it up for self-hosting, then use the plug-in to integrate it into Discourse.
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:discourse2: Summary Jitsi Video Conference allows embedding Jitsi video conference calls into Discourse posts. 🛠 Repository Link https://github.Discourse Meta
there are several OSS discord-likes, the one I use is Matrix/Element. The dev team for "Tusky" makes heavy use of self hosted Matrix. Everyone I know who runs Matrix servers complains about the product quality tho.
The open source Twitch alike I'm currently trying out is stream.place . I've done one successful stream there already. The one thing I don't like is it is partially built on top of Bluesky which creates awkwardness.
Our president just fired head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics because the most recent jobs numbers didn't match his feelings about how good the economy is. He did not explain WHY he thought the report was incorrect. Naturally many people now say we won't be able to trust future reports.
To me, faking such numbers seems difficult.
Dr. Reich, @rbreich as a former Secretary of Labor and guy who knows about The Economy can you tells us what might be tell-tale signs of a "Fake Jobs Report" ?
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I think some people are also alarmed by the "revisions" to numbers in previous months. I remember this always happening in previous reports but these revisions have been very large.
What are some reasons you might need to make a big revision?
When the economy is going up or down, the model lags, so the revisions when actual data comes in are bigger.
Larger revisions are a sign that the economy is going up or down faster.
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What is the source of the Job Report numbers? Is it the state job reports or is it some sort of cross country Federal assessment? Be interesting to find out. Based on TACO Turd's nose dive into the National Reporting I would think it would be a system he can disguise the real numbers so as to meet his political wishes.
@BagOfNails @Kathmandu The jobs reports come from data collected in surveys sent to employers all over the country. One of the reasons revisions are regularly needed is that many companies return the surveys late, so as more data comes in for prior months they make updates. Some info on the methods they use is here:
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Thank you for helping me decide what to read first. This will save so much time. I was overwhelmed and didn't know where to start understanding this.
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"job openings" seems like one of the softer parts of this data.
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That's really too bad as I imagine that things may be unstable in that sector because of ICE. How many people have just left rather that wait to be chased out?
Four things.
Management is about performative reinforcement of social consensus reality. Quantified analysis is frequently in conflict with the SCR; participating in quantified analysis is frequently seen as impossibly expensive because of this.
The signalling system is not uniform; information moves erratically and inconsistently. A report intended to identify state at a point in time needs updating as information arrives. (E.g., excess death rates.)
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The finance guys I know use those numbers in their models and they really need them to be based on reality or the models won't work.
Fake numbers will break SO MANY things.
"Sorta"
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(Some deep very nerdy part of me is offended on an elemental level by the notion of numbers with a large data set over many years, that I have used many times, being messed with. It's like seeing a cathedral torn down. A library burned. The monumental statues of civilization firebombed... )
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You know? I have been struggling to understand the despair from some liberals about what he's been doing to the Whitehouse.
Yes, it's ugly, but the things people like about that building are just because "It Has Always Been That Way" ... and Carter put solar panels on it once and I thought that seemed cool and want them back.
But the feeling about the data? it's rather like what White House History people are feeling. I will be more understanding now.
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Ah yes, the stars are anti-slip treading. And the powerful visitors will trample the flag under their expensive shoes and they tip their drinks to let them run away between the bleached-white bars of our flag.
Very elegant. It speaks to me. I love architecture.
WeLL tHaT tEsT iS sHiT tHe OnLy aCcUrAtE ReSuLt wAs ThE LiBrArY oNe 🤪
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@Nazani It's referred to as the Blue Book, Fitch Ratings publishes it (don't know if it's the only one). I had a neighbor in business school getting his PhD by figuring out and testing proxy numbers for the official ones. There were a lot of different numbers that could be accessed that reflected the reality on the ground vs official publications. One that I recall is railroad freight schedules, as these track internal manufacturing very closely.
I love getting nerds to talk...
A note:
The head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics got fired by Trump for not lying for him.
The Labor Secretary is apparently okay with that.
But how could you lie about something that's been done the same way for decades? I mean, I guess I can think of ways but come on.
I remember when Trump tried to make the head of the weather service lie about where a hurricane was going.
No lie is too blatant.
I keep thinking about that thing where Trump would change how much he thought his business was worth based on "his feelings at the time" and I assume he thinks numbers aren't connected to anything and you can just say any number you want. I mean when he wants a number to be large each time he says it, it grows exponentially*.
*I have the sudden urge to do a regression on "trump numbers" and find out exactly how they tend to grow and warp over time...
This comment of his says everything you need to know about his relationship with how numbers actually work.
“We're going to get the drug prices down ... 1000%, 600%, 500%, 1500%, numbers that are not even thought to be achievable"
How this man ever ran a business is beyond me.
But I was so excited to get a check when I picked up my pills. Are you telling me that's not gonna happen?
"Faking the numbers" is only going to be difficult if one cares about _convincingly_ faking them.
But bullies and fascists don't work like that. Faking them badly, baldly, obviously is better for them, because it shows their contempt and their power. "We're screwing this up and there's nothing you can do about it. We control the baseline assumptions of your world; tremble before us or be ruined."
TFG has been consistent in one sense: Everything he's doing 1) Makes the US weaker and less likely to be a military, cultural, or commercial force in the world of the future, and 2) makes him feel like king, even if, in the end, he's king of an ash heap.
Really, his behavior becomes a lot more explicable if you can accept that he hates America, because he views America as a rival for the attention and adulation he craves for himself.
The last time there is a whole lot of controversy around the dude "Pirate Software" aka Thor aka Jason
For years he presented himself like some sort of god in software / game development because he "worked at Blizzard" for years
He worked on a game for over 7 years now and on release it turned out to be a walking / talking simulator that was incredibly bad written in code
The reason he worked at Blizzard for years is because his daddy is an exec there and no one dared to fire him
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He didn't do much harm I guess but it's just so sad to see that again someone with a massive mouth gets so much attention while doing zer0 of the actual work
There are so many amazing indie games that will barely be downloaded because too much attention goes to scammers like Thor
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Pirate Software's Wikipedia page was nominated for deletion. A conversation is going on about it now. One apparently keeps getting created after other discussions removed it when consensus was made to merge with Heartbound then another to delete Heartbound.
🔗 the deletion discussion,
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I watched enough of his streams to know that he lifted up a number of indie game creators, I don’t buy that he’s *only* a scammer. He was a popular streamer because he was good at streaming, and yeah he is rather full of himself but people are treating him like he is evil incarnate.
I never would have gotten started with the game I am currently working on if it wasn’t for him talking about the importance of “just getting started”, so for that I’m grateful
ahhh, yes, its time to discredit and bad jacket one of the main "stop killing games" people who has managed to attract a good amount of international attention to the cause, including an EU VP.
Yeah I heard he's got some skeletons in his closet hah hah hah hah pwned right kids.
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I don't know what that is, but I've seen 3 or 4 interviews with Thor/Jason, im not confused about who he is at all, and I appreciate the efforts he has put into stop killing games? You keep saying things, but these things don't jive with the interviews he has given.
Is the gaming industry THAT pissed at him?? Time to accuse him of sex crimes, too?? Wow.
@milkman76 I give up sorry😆
Pirate Software is not the guy behind StopKillingGames and he is activly against it and that's quite public 🤔
I don't know 🤷
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Stop Killing Games
Here is an easy breakdown of how I feel about this initiative.I cannot and will not support a vague and potentially dangerous start to this conversation. Cal...YouTube
@woe2you wait, something is definitely confused here.
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This guy is the Stop Killing Games guy who advocates the correct (imo) perspective. Who is the other guy (the long haired guy OPPOSING stop killing games???)
Im more confused now.
Accursed Farms
Official channel of Accursed Farms, videos created by Ross Scott. Includes Freeman's Mind, Ross's Game Dungeon, Civil Protection, and more. Check the main website (accursedfarms.com) for news and updates.YouTube
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Responding to claims about Psalm 22
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"Gender Critical" nurse EXPOSED over racist comments
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#SandiePeggie #Transphobia #racism #terfs #LGBTQ #transgender #trans #bigotry #youtube
"Gender Critical" nurse EXPOSED over racist comments
The current darling of the "Gender Critical" movement is Sandie Peggie, who is known for being absolutely vile and bigoted towards an innocent doctor she wor...YouTube
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The first widespread success in curing HIV may come from children, not adults.
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do The Youths these days still know about Pokemon Crystal Vietnamese? So called because it was discovered in a market in Vietnam, it's a romhack translation from Japanese to English (presumably before the real English version released), except it seems to have been made entirely on the basis of a Japanese-to-Chinese dictionary and then a Chinese-to-English dictionary. For example, what's semantically quite close to "insert"...?
(my own screenshots from 2013)
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a human hand. with a microscope stacked on top of it. At 1 times magnification. The hand is quite literally under the microscope.
Debunked: "Trans Affirming Care is Non-Essential"
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Debunked: "Trans Affirming Care is Non-Essential"
[Quick References][1] https://youtu.be/AgYLNID4_EI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60273z28des[3] https://youtu.be/4zok0BxqO44 [4] https://youtu.be/DFQ7k...YouTube
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Study Ordered by Utah Republicans Finds Gender-Affirming Care Benefits Trans Youth
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"Rate of regret after Gender-affirming surgery is approximately 1%. Other life decisions, such as having children and getting a tattoo have regret rates of 7% and 16.2%, respectively."
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Trans women and fairness in sports
Transgender Athletes Could Be At A Physical Disadvantage, Research Shows
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Specific claims of unfairness are self debunking if the source is at all honest about the situation.
For example trans marathon runner Glenique Frank finished 6,159th in the female category but you would get an entirely different impression if you didn't read past the headlines in the daily mail: archive.ph/udkN7
Similarly, Riley Gaines's fairness grievance was literally a tie for fifth place.
Nobody's placement changes if Lia Thomas didn't compete and again, the complaint was that a trans women dared to perform equally to a cis women athlete.
Then there's the chess controversy which is so ridiculous and misogynist that I don't need to dignify it with a debunking. It's just sexism dressed up as concern for cis women.
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Critically appraising the cass report: methodological flaws and unsupported claims
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Further citations to research on the subject of transgender healthcare thanks to this archived reddit comment by tgjer web.archive.org/web/2019082319…
#transgender #transRights #TransAthletes #LGBTQ #GenderAffirmingCare #GenderAffirmingSurgery #trans #TransWomen
Critically appraising the cass report: methodological flaws and unsupported claims - BMC Medical Research Methodology
Background The Cass Review aimed to provide recommendations for the delivery of services for gender diverse children and young people in England.BioMed Central
Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime
"Trans-inclusive bathroom policies are linked to lower assault rates against transgender students."
"Trans-inclusive bathroom policies are not linked to higher rates of assault against cisgender people."
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •depends if the goal is to raise the average level of health or just to let the less healthy die off.
both will technically raise the average level of whoever's still alive at the end.
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •The absolute volume and ceaseless barrage of misinformation around Covid-19 preventive measures has been a nightmare to public health.
The worst case scenario - which we are now living through - is that people responsible for believing and regurgitating this misinformation are now in power.
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Bob Kennedy announced his retirement today, so that he could spend more time with his roadkill.
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •So they want to protect their peers and let the rest perish. That's also evident in other areas.
#magaMafia #USfascism #kkk
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