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rainpizza
in reply to darkernations • • •I have also seen that there is an erasure and persecution of communist parties(Ukraine for example) for less effective ones(Trotskyst, Maoist and other pro imperialist ultra left deviations). It is an interesting trend to mention beside the state openly favoring fascist ones.
There was one in Ukraine who went with the liberal "both sides bad" of the conflict -> solidnet.org/article/23rd-IMCW…
Solidnet | 23rd IMCWP, Contribution by Union of Communists of Ukraine
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Flyberius [comrade/them]
in reply to Sleepless One • • •I'm travelling and it constantly comes up. The fact that I've been there, spoken to Uyghurs, and they've either laughed or been straight up horrified at the western narrative is apparently not evidence enough to convince most westerners. There have been exceptions, like this sweet but naive couple from Canada who's world view my girlfriend and I were able to completely change over the course of a couple of weeks.
I think for most they've convinced themselves, with the aid of a huge amount of propaganda in the form of news and TV/movies, that the west are the good guys. The thought that anything else could be the case is simply impossible to contemplate, as it would utterly shatter their world view and morals
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baaaaaaaaaaah [comrade/them]
in reply to SpicyLizards • • •You can go to Xinjiang today and meet Uyghur people. The fact that they live freely, and that Uyghur culture is still alive and well, is pretty ample evidence that there's not been a genocide.
I think you can have reasonable criticisms of the reeducation program but to call it a genocide just seems factually incorrect.
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amemorablename
in reply to SpicyLizards • • •This is just "communists are necromancers / mind controllers / Cthulhu delegates" kind of monster under the bed nonsense coming from Cold War propaganda era narrative and continuing on to this day. No state has 100% control over media and the reality is that after the initial push of the narrative (which primarily came from a "dude trust me" singular individual), the credibility of the claim slowly unraveled. This is in contrast to a history like, for example, US in Korea, where it started out as the US portraying it as for good and info on the US occupation's atrocities came out over time, as people whistleblew and people investigated. Or how many people were duped into viewing the israeli colony as "it's complicated" rather than colonialism doing what colonialism does (extermination of the natives) and only got through the bubble when raw first person information on atrocities committed by israel started coming through. In israel's case, it's not just that they are so brazen about it at this stage, it's also the painstaking documentation that Palestinians have done, some of them getting targeted and martyred for daring to report on the crimes of the settlers.
There is no such equivalent evidence going on with China and claiming ultimate powers of censorship as the reason is, well... there's a Parenti quote that comes to mind about an unfalsifiable orthodoxy. The absurdity of this kind of argument that happens in anti-communist propaganda goes something like:
It's one of those things like that saying, "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themself into." Much of anti-communist propaganda begins with an implied truism that communism must be evil and then reasons about how it is evil after the fact. By comparison, no such nonsense is necessary to criticize colonialism, for example; its crimes are well documented over hundreds of years and it depends on such narratives as saying that one people are civil and another savage, and so the savages "deserve what they get" (aka: dehumanization).
You will not find such narratives in the practice of communism because it goes out of its way to humanize and work to eliminate class and caste barriers. So its opponents simply make up atrocities committed in its name and claim that it's a faked humanitarian goal.
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I don't use that shit.
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in reply to SpicyLizards • • •Not too familiar with lemmygrab. But yeah, everything you don't like is propaganda and anything that goes against neoliberal regime-think that suggests we should actually cut more social services, give more bombs to Israel/Ukraine/proxy(s)-of-the-year and assuage the concerns and desires of the growing right with ineffective, spineless leaders is propaganda.
Of course, China is leading the world in academic articles, EV technology, nuclear. Average citizen eats more protein and has a better diet than Americans while PPP goes every up and ours stagnates for more and more lower-class people. Developments are built to supply the growing population, not to service a F.I.R.E economy.
The neoliberal party says do not trust your eyes or ears, though. Plenty of people here been to China, an actual socialist country and have thoroughly debunked most of the talking points in person or with stuff like a certain U.N article not finding any evidence...we give evidence and proof all the time. Either it be Ukraine, or China if you actually took the time to look and read through what we have here it's not just simply "propaganda".
or, on the other hand, everything truly is propaganda. You just found ones you don't like.
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in reply to SpicyLizards • • •I've been to Xinjiang and spoken to Uyghurs. They either laugh at the idea of a genocide or are horrified that such a narrative exists. The huge amount of Uyghur culture being practiced and celebrated and used as a source of internal tourism for China again suggests that no genocide is taking place.
What did happen is a deradicalisation campaign almost 10 years ago. That was to prevent the spread of fundamentalist Islam in the wake if the Arab spring, which was backed by the west, resulted in the fall of Libya and it's current woes and the rise of Isis in Syria.
The west wanted this wave of madness to spread into Xinjiang and do to it what they have done repeatedly in the Islamic world, which is use radical Islam to topple governments opposed to US hegemony. Is it any wonder that when China fights back against this the west starts up the propaganda machine to invoke accusations of genocide.
This is the exact same playbook they used against communist Afghanistan and the Soviet Union, which resulted in the Taliban.
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in reply to SpicyLizards • • •China has 1.4 billion citizens. Xinjiang is a major tourist destination with 300 million tourists anually. Most of these people have smart phones. Do you seriously think the PRC has the magical powers to keep that many information channels under wraps? Plain impossible. Hell look at chinas borders, do you seriously think the PRC could close them down to prevent refugees from fleeing?
Furthermore, a genocide requires infrastructure and leaves evidence. In Gaza there's plenty of mass graves, video evidence and the israeli butchers even filming themselves doing it! The infrastructure used to siege gaza can easily found, the fortified border wall, the army bases around it.
Meanwhile Xinjiang: Nothing, no graves, no facilites to keep the supposed 1 million people, no witnesses.
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in reply to SpicyLizards • • •Where are the bombs in Xinjiang? Where is the famine? Where are the gofundmes for people BEGGING to be released from this hell? Where are the livestreams? The updated Google maps showing the destruction?
All of this is happening on the daily in Gaza. Not so in China.
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Always the same map.
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in reply to SpicyLizards • • •I thought this was a good video. I’m not sure if it’s a genocide, and I’m sure it’s not on the same scale as Palestine, but I think what’s going on with Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities deserves serious criticism: youtu.be/cz9ICFDk8Js
Take this with a grain of salt as I have not done in depth research.
Cutting Through the BS on Xinjiang: Uyghur Genocide or Vocational Training?
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in reply to Nakoichi [they/them] • • •Are you saying it was gross because the situation of Uyghurs in China is not as bad as the situation of indigenous people in the U.S.? The reason I chose to make the comparison I did is that the author of the video makes the same comparison, and it seemed like an example that people might have prior knowledge of or be able to relate to.
I apologize that I used things that have happened to indigenous Americans in the past to further a point when I did not fully understand their situation.
I would like to know what you felt was wrong about the comparison
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in reply to evthestrike • • •8% of murrican natives speak their languages, 100% of Uyghurs do.
You: China treats them like the US!11111111
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in reply to evthestrike • • •No there is no such attempt, lol.
Uyghur language is widely teached, is on the currency notes of the PRC, all public signs in Xinjiang are at least in Uyghur and Mandarin, Uyghurs are well represented in the arts, economy, and public life, hell Xinjiang is major tourist destination within China. Before Covid 300 million people visited each year.
The Uyghurs are one of the 56 recognized ands thus constitutionally protected minorities within the PRC. The PRC guarantees them everything the north american natives can only hope for.
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in reply to evthestrike • • •No it is a horrible video. He takes every single western accusation for the truth.
Stop worshipping BE.
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in reply to cfgaussian • • •It is a weird thing in the US, cause you have people who sorta act like:
And to some extent, the reverse of that as well. These days I think more are getting frustrated with the gov in general, but you still have some of those loyalists who act like it's the "wrong side" that is the problem with governance, not the system as a whole.
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in reply to Shadowbannedandproud • • •it was made by communists
why are there so many liberals here?
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in reply to Shadowbannedandproud • • •You're on Lemmygrad, a community for communists.
In the meantime, define "tankies", because you don't seem to know what that word means.
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