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I mentioned that I listened to the Waveform podcast, and they just introduced a new segment called ‘Did they even test this?’ They used the example of the Subaru volume control, where once you try and change the volume, it basically overlays your navigation so that you can no longer get directions.

In the non-tech world, I think a product we can question is paper straws. You have to wonder if they were ever tested because they disintegrate so quickly. It's strange because I’ve used compostable straws made of bamboo that were as structurally strong as plastic. Of course this assumes they want a high quality replacement product.

Is there a product you've tried where you’ve wonder what kind of testing they did?


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Amazon Alexa/Echo devices, particularly the "Show" models are clearly never tested. We had an old one that did little more than show photos of El Cheato 24x7x365. We tossed that one and replaced it - it began life by blasting ads at 3am in full brightness. Now it has evolved to failing to recognize night from day (even though it is configured to do so) and now runs in full brightness 24x7x365 but with a small clock and full screen artwork (and no pictures of El Cheato and no full-bright ads at 3am.)

The latest over-the-air update to my Hyundai Tuscon plug in hybrid broke Apple Carplay.

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Pretty much every software product in the last 20 years and many before that.

Yet they want me to buy a new car. I do NOT want to have to have software updates on my fucking car, for the reason @Karl Auerbach just mentioned. I know one person whose dashboard bricked because the car maker and the software maker ended their license agreement. I'm going to drive my 2005 Honda Civic till it disintegrates or I do.

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The new Mercedes Sylvia got is fully electric, and it invites you strongly to install the app on your phone for emphasizing their branding (can do without, but whatever) and ease of use (oh well, I succumbed to this call too).

Terrible behaviour surfaces, quality testing wise. They should have caught this early on.

This is long, feel free to skip.

One feature, slightly more useful (I think) than a washing machine app that alerts you when the thing finishing its washing cycle, is the ability to monitor the charging state while it is, well, charging. And when it is not. Why is that possibly important, since the next charger may be several hundred metres away, out of sight, on a public street where they charge extra hefty fees when you park there and the thing is full or does not charge.
Good feature to have also to not exceed the recommended 80% full by much.

So an iOS app was first to pair with the car. Sylvia used the car, parked it at the charger, started charging, walked to her office and called to tell me. First time users are like that, I am too. :)) I then opened my app, and something happened. Her app stopped updating the charging state. My app did show charging state and progress, but hers did not any more.

It took a version update of her app to "fix", which happened weeks later. No release notes saying "we fixed an annoying bug related to charge-o-metering".

Another issue with the app is, it notifies about the car state. Again, well-intentioned, but... implementation meh.

Lets say, I drive to the scrapyard to orderly dispose of electrical appliances, let the door open because no spare hand, take out the thing from the back seat. Lug over the thing towards the container, door stays open for more than 30 seconds, triggers an (invisible to me) alarm state. I do not know, receive no notification, then got rid of whatever, then drive home. Some 10 minutes later Sylvia's app triggers the alarm "door is open, do something, yes?" with no clear labels on the available buttons either. Terribly useless UI, and the delay of too many minutes means I do not know what she is talking about when she calls to ask "what happened to the car?" at first. Also, she does not get a timestamp of the event sop does not know "something" happened many minutes earlier.

We can smile this away, but quality assurance should have caught this.

We can smile this away, but given quality assurance for a Chinese make of BYD or Beijing motors that comes at half the price would probably mean better software.

We can smile this away, but we can attribute the 40% lower numbers of new Mercedes sold last year may trace back to quality assurance - it should have hjalped to prevent this.

Software must just work and get out of your way. German engineering forgot. Oh well, at least there's physical, tactile buttons for many oft-used features.

The one useful feature of having the app it enables per-user profiles for the in-car system controls and that allows me to switch off or turn to mid-grey all the interior LED blinkenlights. If you don't it feels you're driving around a mobile disco. They kept changing colours all the time, super distracting and depending on whatnot. The off feature is the best thing I've discovered yet.


Speaking generally of making cities available to all, the other evening I walked along this electric charger set in #Berlin. Chargers being mounted on the road, in the lane where cars would park. The minor advantage here is pedestrians have no impediment this way. Electric cars still eat up too much space, as any other car will, but car users' perceived privilege of owning the road is broken.

I like it this way, it intrudes into a space combustion car users may have long thought is untouchable, in a way. Not it isn't, you too are supposed to see change is happening. It practically solves the issue of where the plug is. Park any way you see fit. Carsten Raddatz (@carstenraddatz@pixelfed.automat.click)


Speaking generally of making cities available to all, the other evening I walked along this electric charger set in #Berlin. Chargers being mounted on the road, in the lane where cars would park. The minor advantage here is pedestrians have no impediment this way. Electric cars still eat up too much space, as any other car will, but car users' perceived privilege of owning the road is broken.

I like it this way, it intrudes into a space combustion car users may have long thought is untouchable, in a way. Not it isn't, you too are supposed to see change is happening. It practically solves the issue of where the plug is.


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Couple years now but we got new LG washer&dryer. Guy installs it and then says, OK, let's put it on the WiFi, you get app on your phone, have all kinds of neat...

Me: No I bloody well do not. Does it now wash my clothes in this box? Dry them in that one? WIthout WiFi or apps?

Guy: Well, yes....

Me: Good job, thank you, bye!

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I used to do a lot of software testing work. Just about every released (!) program I use these days feels, at best, like it's two or three months from becoming a release candidate. Sometimes "upgrades" are so obviously vibe-coded bullshit that I'm surprised I haven't gone apoplectic.

The Libre suite used to feel like it was more like six months out, but nowadays it actually feels much closer than the three months. This is no shade on Libre! It's what I use. They don't have millions of bucks to do the last 95% of the work after the first 95% and second 95% have been sort of wrapped up. That adds up to 285% you say? Why yes, I am an optimist!

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I got a kick out of the fumblings of MS and the Office suite. Ribbons, tool bars, all macros all the time, no macros without explicit menu clicking, etc .
I miss the basic "blank sheet of paper" text processors. wysiwyg is great, if it translates to printing and viewing through non proprietary compatible means.
And then we have powerful applications with arcane and somewhat hidebound interfaces. DaVinci Resolve, I'm looking at you.
A one sized fits all program, as long as you understand the highest end aspects, because they are on the simplest pages.
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Clearly, some of you never experienced paper straws back in the 50s and 60s when they were the norm. Who remembers getting a small carton of milk mid-morning every day in grade school with a paper straw to stick in it? These existed long before products were tested much. We have been the guinea pigs for a lot of products that were insufficiently tested.
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I have encountered only a couple of 'bad' paper straws. Most seem to be adequate for the intended purpose. I've got a collection of stainless steel and silicone straws if I need a longer life suck tube.
I've picked up so much plastic waste on the beach, almost all single use, we are better off without it for most circumstances.
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not necessarily related to the topic, but I spent the day (it was wet outside) installing FreeBSD 15 and Sway/wayland on a lenovo thinkpad.

i have not touched freebsd in many years, and never even tried wayland previously.

i do have a bootable machine with a "desktop"

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Bakelite, the first widely used plastic, came out in 1907. My grandfather would have been eight. Polyethelyne was invented in Germany in 1898, the year before my grandfather was born.

Earl Tupper, a chemist with Dupont, was the person who first developed prototype plasticwares for that company. If his name sounds familar it's because in 1938 (three years after my mother's birth) he founded the Tupperware Plastics Company. In the 1950s Tupperware began selling plasticwares, most especially storage, through direct sale party plans.

I don't know if anyone here remembers people coming to their house to sell plasticwares, makeup, clothing, etc. Party plan events helped women to make their own money and also socialise. Otherwise, the US lifestyle starting from after the war was very isolating for women.

My point is that plastics actually haven't been with us for that long--just long enough for a time before plastics to be now outside of living memory. I was growing up during its explosion into our culture, but I still remember when we had much less.

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@Richard Oh, I am no fan of direct sale party plans. It was just a part of my childhood. These parties would often include things for the kids such as balls or sample lipsticks the mom could try and then pass on to her little girls (the boys might have wanted them, but the lipsticks didn't head their direction except during Halloween for fake blood).
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Yay FreeBSD, 'twas my first touch point with hosting web servers ca. 2004. Rhe linux-vserver kernel stuff was a mess back then. We needed jails and a plan to scale many things on the two machines we had.
Today I use cbsd because it does what its told, is robust and plays very well with many core hardware.

Tupperware was a thing my auntie did, and she earned good money for many years in the 90s. Way before that there was Avon and Amway too. Mum still 40+ years on uses their stainless steel kitchenware and pots and things. This all seems pretty indestructible.

Re consumer rights, all these direct distribution channels earned a bad reputation in Euroland at one point. Since you don't buy from a store and have no legal guarantees for returns. You were at the mercy of a private distribution canal, disguised as a "sales party".
Or if the plastic Tupperware used to do stuff of poor or health detrimental quality, or even have PFOA and BPA and BFAS, you couldn't easily get your money back and opt out but were persuaded to get a replacement of new, better quality. Uuurgh.

That said, when the newer food safe Tupperware that survived in this household breaks (lids tend to tear first), they are replaced by robust glass somethings.

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When I first moved out of Calgary, the way too meet people was through things like Mary Kay, Tupperware and Avon. No way could I have survived Swift Current without the friend I met by going to a Welcome Wagon party (which I only went to because I was bored and lonely).

I also went to a pile of that kind of party when I moved to Lloyd 25 years ago. Pampered Chef, silver jewellery, PartiLite - I always went with a budget. I STILL have and use my Pampered Chef, Tupperware, candles etc. All the MLM stuff I bought was very high quality so I can't regret supporting those women.

It's really easy to look down on these MLMS and yet…these are ways to connect and the women holding the shows were generally aware if you couldn't afford.

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My wife knew the score with the "hostess party" scene. A couple of her friends did all of them, selling or hosting. She gamely played along and I still have containers of "Stamping Up", "Creative Memories", scented candles, pampered chef gear. One of her managers was an Avon rep who encouraged playing the game to advance. I vaguely remember tupperware parties from the 60's, and we ended up with some of the more current products from some party attendance.
Back when I was a boy scout we had various fund raising activities. We sold lightbulbs for a couple of years until the dad in charge of that was an Amway 'dealer'. Thankfully that didn't last long, it was a bad look and the scouts all knew it was skeezy.
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I vaguely remember Tupperware parties - but it was a woman thing.

An image just popped into my head of a Tupperware-like party, but for Monly-Mon guys - the cooking gear would all be heavy Lodge Cast Iron, not yet seasoned. Or better yet - do-it-yourself cookware kits: you get a crucible, some coal, a hand pumped bellows, some casting sand and a template, some iron ore....