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You create a system that rewards exploitation and then wonder why the greediest bastards always seem to rise to the top.

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#capitalism
in reply to Aral Balkan

Hint: maybe the whole concept of “the top” itself is flawed to begin with. Maybe we need better success criteria. Less psychopathic ones would be nice.

#society

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in reply to Aral Balkan

my few cents… forgive the pun!

Society should be judged based on the welfare of their least fortunate.

Communities larger than 150 begin to breakdown.

Money as defined by Dawkins as a formal token of delayed recipricoal altruism is a natural and healthy construct.

The endless pursuit of profit and rampant conversion of the living into precious inert is destroying us. Forget GDP. Consider Happiness Index or similar.

#Capitalism #Socialism #Politics #Evolution #Revolution
in reply to Aral Balkan

Western culture has always been based on exploitation. #capitalism is just the latest version.
in reply to Aral Balkan

For people who want to end capitalism I highly recommend you watch this video by @freeworlder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HyqpAEbY2E

And if you're interested in this movement take a look at https://trade-free.org.

For those wanting a more comprehensive explanation, there are 2 books made by the @trom project that I recommend:
1. The origin of most problems
2. The money game and beyond
You can find these books and read them for free at https://tromsite.com/books
in reply to Aral Balkan

You say that like people at the top are surprised by that.
in reply to Aral Balkan

My big problem with "ending capitalism" is: What do you mean by capitalism? And also: What are you going to replace it with?

I prefer to discuss specific policies and effects rather than broad, vaguely defined -isms. Two things that are often associated with capitalism are extreme concentration of wealth (which I oppose) and the free market (which I generally like). Is it possible to have one without the other?

There are forms of market socialism. And there are various aspects of socialism that can work very well in a capitalist system, like cooperative or worker ownership of companies, or even just serious wealth redistribution. And I'm fairly sure that those are a much better idea than a central plan-economy, for example.
in reply to Martijn Vos

@Martijn Vos A alternative to capitalism doesn't necessarily need to be a centralized plan-economy....
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So replace trading with sharing. Isn't that all based on good will? What happens when someone isn't liked by the community, which incentive will the community have to share?

You can see a directory full of trade-free services here. These are some of the real life examples of people providing goods/services to others without asking anything in return. There might be many reasons why these people engage in volunteering, and it would differ from person to person. Personally I think its a good enough incentive to just like doing the work you do. In our trade-based society people are often forced to work jobs they don't like just to get their basic needs met, how is that any better ?
Say a group of people refuse to share and continue trading. Can a trade-free system "overpower" that?

To be clear, the trade-free movement isn't trying to ban trade and force everyone to share, that'd be kinda oppressive and more akin to slavery. Instead the goal here is to make trade obsolete by promoting trade-free goods & services. Its similar to how we make FOSS programs to make proprietary software obsolete, for example when we made linux now we don't have to rely on proprietary operating systems anymore. So as more and more FOSS programs pop up, the less we have to rely on proprietary ones. The trade-free movement is trying to do the same, but with trade instead of proprietary software. So the more trade-free projects we have, the less we have to rely on trade. This allows us to move away from trade one step at a time.
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in reply to Aral Balkan

I think one crucial thing to remember is that humans are not born greedy, or bad, or nice, or racist, or whatever. It is always the environment that creates the behavior. I would personally say:
You create a system that rewards exploitation, competition, hoarding of stuff, trading, greediness, and then wonder why humans become like that.
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in reply to Tio

but the creators are still humans, so...
in reply to SparkIT

Yes, pushed by circumstances: scarcity, population, resources. Now by the massive trade game that we play globally. Societies are emerging, and the lack of resources, scarcity overall, threats, etc., created conditions for such competitive behaviors to emerge.