Thoughts on Avengers:Endgame
I watched Endgame a few days ago. I'd like to watch it again, but I'll post my thoughts in the comments.
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I watched Endgame a few days ago. I'd like to watch it again, but I'll post my thoughts in the comments.
Spoiler warning for obvious reasons
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Patrick Marchiodi
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in reply to Patrick Marchiodi • •There are a few things story-wise that didn't 100% convince me and I guess there are a some holes, but I think the good things of this movie outweight the worse ones.
I liked the epilogues they gave to Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. Tony has always been my favourite MCU character and I loved his character arc over the many movies he was part of. I saw him start of ass a playboy warmonger who repented, his main problem being he's an irresponsible person who is has to take care of himself and others. He got PTSD and depression, he has a difficult relationship with his father that paints his whole character arc and is reflected on his own relationship with Peter Parker, and then he becomes dad, but in the end sacrifices himself. The story ends with the same words that started everyhing: "I am Iron Man". Definitely cheesy and fanservice, but I did love that moment.
The mid-credit scene is a celebration of all the main actors that starred in the MCU, and the after-credits "scene" is the Marvel logo with the sound of Tony hammering his first Iron Man helmet. I liked how the end of the MCU so far (and of Tony Stark's character) goes back to when everything started.
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in reply to Patrick Marchiodi • •I do think it's forced to see Pepper Potts fighting "outta nowhere", I could guess she did use the suit in the five years we didn't see, but Tony does say she doesn't like his gifts, so I don't think she would use the armor when they just lived happily together? Character plot hole maybe, but I can't hear you over the fanboy in me screaming 😛
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Unknown parent • •I didn't dislike her, though, but I still have to see her movie, so, well, maybe.
Lapo Luchini
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in reply to Lapo Luchini • •Would you like to expand what you did like about him? I'm interested in hearing another point of view 😁
Lapo Luchini
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in reply to Lapo Luchini • •My whole point is: I love characters that grow, I love stories that put character into difficult situations, where they must face challenges, where they are limited by their faults and flaws. In those situations, whatever they do and however they react, the characters tell us something about them, they get deeper. And if they manage to face their flaws, they change and grow. Tony Stark is a perfect example of this, he's full of very obvious flaws, he is faced with them many times and he grows. He doesn't overcome every problem, he's still flawed at the end of this movie, but I feel I've come to know him so much more.
This isn't true for Carol Danvers: she's emotionally unassailable, she's confident, strong, she's powerful. She's never in a situation where she struggles, and she has no internal flaws that make her interesting. I find her boring, and her perfection/power mixed with her confidence and snarkiness make her dislikable to me.
I think Captain America is a great counter example for a "perfect" character who's still very likable and relatable and interesting: first and foremost, he's brave, caring and strong but at the same time he's also humble and compassionate. The situations where he shines as a character are those where his optimistic and simplistic view are challenged, or when he is defending someone dear. Steve Rogers fights for his ideals, for what he thinks is good and right, and to protect the people he loves. You can challenge him putting his ideals or his friends into danger. Carol Danvers doesn't have this, imo.
Of course Cap had half a dozen movies to grow and become the character he is now, in his first movie and in Avengers he was still quite simple, but he was already idealistic, compassionate and relatable. Under the muscles he's a kid from Brooklin, Carol is a soldier.
Lapo Luchini
in reply to Patrick Marchiodi • •But I see your point.
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in reply to Patrick Marchiodi • •(~ I just don't find him likeable enough)
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Unknown parent • •As a very general opinion, i think the beginning is a bit slow, it has a lot of great moments for fans and overall I think it's a worthy conclusion to the MCU so far. I'm not sure about the plot because I think there are a few plot holes (or at least murky passages), but I'm not very picky on plots, as long as the character arcs work.
It's not a perfect movie, but I can't say that I was disappointed.
(i know you read the spoilery comments, but I think it can be handy to have a spoiler-free comment ready if needed, so thanks for asking ^^)
Patrick Marchiodi
Unknown parent • •It feels to me like we have a full-formed strong character without being shown on screen how she became who she is. I feel like I don't understand her motifs and her feelings.
Which might be perfectly fine and very intentional, being the cis white dude that I am, maybe Carol simply isn't a character that's meant to be relatable to me and what other people see as obvious character traits that make them like her, I just don't see those traits, or see them differently ^^
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in reply to Patrick Marchiodi • •To the uninitiated, she was Tony Stark's saviour and in the Avenger pow-wow advocating retrieving the stones to bring everyone back and then leading the attack to over-power Thanos. We did get to see the no-flinching scene after she brought what I assume was the Milano to the Avengers HQ.