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We applaud Meta’s efforts to try to fix its over-censorship problem but will watch closely to make sure it is a good-faith effort and rolled out fairly and not merely a political maneuver to accommodate the upcoming U.S. administration change. eff.org/deeplinks/2025/01/eff-…
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

What do you think it is, actually? Of course, it’s only such a move to allow the nazi (MAGAs ARE nazis!) propaganda to be freely shared. What else it could be, seriously?

As the late Twitter before it, Facebook just became a nazi bar. That’s all.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I admire your optimism but feel safe betting more than a few pints that everything following "not merely" in your post is true.
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

What basis do you have for assuming good-faith from Facebook?

I usually trust the EFF but this statement concerns me.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

you "applaud" any aspect of this? lmao you mean I have to keep an eye on EFF writers, as well? There is nothing to applaud here.

Did EFF applaud fascists attacking affirmative action because they said "it wasnt needed anymore"?

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I have mixed feelings about this.

I understand that the EFF strives to support free speech online, which this technically supports, but the EFF should also understand better than anyone that platforms beholden to advertisers choosing to allow harmful content only results in the decline of that platform's revenue from losing advertisers, which almost always directly causes enshittification of the platform. (See: Twitter, or "X" I guess.)

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This is an insanely tone deaf blog post that ignores a lot of context around Meta's move to less moderation. It's coming at a time where social media platforms, namely Twitter, have been openly endorsing attacks on the LGBTQ+ community under the guise of "free speech absolutism," which this post reads as a tacit endorsement of. Also, the even bigger elephant in the room is that this is obviously a move to appease Trump and MAGA Republicans, so it's likely that lessening moderation will harm the LGBTQ+ community you profess to care so much for in this post. Honestly, there are some valid points made here, but this post definitely should've had another draft that had deeper considerations for the context and implications of Meta's decision here.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I’d best rethink my annual support. Presumably you’d “applaud” me not donating any more?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

i'm going to assume that by "over-censorship problem" you mean the censorship of lgbt people and not the removal of hate speech & aggression, but to me it seems obvious that that isn't what meta is trying to do here. why say they're moving to texas if that's what they're doing? meta is preparing to allow more hate speech on the platform, not to allow more good-faith speech on the platform
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Your post is naive, nothing to applaud, of course it is a political measure to remove barriers for right-wingers and neoliberals so they can spread more falsehoods and hate.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

There you go less censorship
404media.co/facebook-deletes-i…

Meta is a rotten corporation, not a freedom fighting NGO. Everything they do is compromised and what you're signaling by your statement is trust in them? Are you for real?

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

OH, so you applaud being able to associate people's gender identities and sexualities with mental illness?! you applaud being able to make racist statements about chinese people and COVID19 with no consequence?! that's what you applaud?!?!?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

other people have been more eloquent here, so I wont try to duplicate their reasoning. I'll just go straight to what I am feeling, in my gut. So, to whomever wrote this post:

Take a long walk off a short pier.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I love the optimism, but come on, applauding the change before you've seen the effects?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

1) This is just an embarrassingly bad take and whoever wrote it should feel embarrassed, and

2) Meta has never had an "over censorship" problem. I have reported blatant racism, transphobia that was well into the territory of incitement to violence, recruitment fraud, ads for illegal drugs, smuggled cigarettes, and academic cheating services, medical advice that would kill people if they followed it, etc. etc. NOTHING has EVER been taken down. Only thing they ever take down is boobs.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Don't expect a good outcome from any of this. Companies like Meta aren't doing this because they think it's a good or the right thing to do. Zuckerberg and Meta are absolutely horrible and along with Musk (and other billionaires), would crush human life if it meant making more money. The default should be to NOT trust these terrible people.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You already saw Musk do the same things with Twitter and this is what you have to say?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

well, if you're applying this paucity of reasoning here, I certainly can't trust you to exercise good judgement with donations, so I guess I'd better contribute to a wiser organization ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

this is the most insane, preemptive boot-licking, pro-fascist shit you could have possibly said. And exactly why I tell everybody who will listen to NOT donate to you, ensure their employer DOES NOT donate or support you, and treat you like the fascist-supporting org you have truly become.

Here's a free hint: Meta wasn't 'over-censoring,' or doing anywhere near enough, and you're just cheerleading for violent racism and disinformation.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This is a bad look. You’re familiar with Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football?

What in Facebook’s history would lead you to think there’s good faith to be had.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Great article, but it's slightly too optimistic. You're still trying to find some 'good' left in Meta, even if there might be very little left.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You just lost $103 a month from this queer animal.
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

this is an insanely bad take, if you're not sure they're acting in bad faith now I think you'll tolerate anything they do forever.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I love y'all. I’ve donated for ages both formally and throwing cash to your booths at various cons. I'm a fan and proud member.

But WTF. No. I can't think of a plausible way to describe Meta as "over-moderated”, nor can I think of a realistic scenario where they’ll actually do this in good faith.

If they want to earn a good reputation, they can begin by starting to act civilly for the first time ever. If that happens, and they keep it up for a few years, *maybe* then I’ll believe it.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This is abominable anti-human bootlicking garbage and the entire EFF should be deeply ashamed.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This is giving cover to fascists. It's not a good faith effort and that's obvious to everyone.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I'm looking forward to see ISIS and Hamas content being shared freely on their platform. Because if you're going to claim to be 'politically neutral', you better be politically neutral.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

moving their moderation team into a jurisdiction that intentionally endangers the lives of cis women and all trans people warrants condemnation, not applause
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

The post has a disclaimer which makes this toot misleading and out of date. Leaving it online is not appropriate
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Did someone hack you accounts? I've been following you for years and I find it hard to believe that this comes from you.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

"We applaud Meta's effort" what, and i mean this sincerely, the fuck? you're either embarassingly naive in your take, or you're preemptively kissing the ring of fascism already
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Meta literally responsible for a genocide and you’re giving benefit of the doubt. Your motives are highly suspect.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

over-censorship? They are their own victims. They put items like climate change and green energy down as contentious topics not to be promoted, despite the scientific truth being very clear. All done to appease loud angry people crying for false balance. This is just more of the same
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This is beyond embarrassing. Literally zero critical thought put into this announcement. A good time to cancel my recurring donation.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

@Kurt Is everything alright at your side? Are your servers hacked?
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Interesting to see that a privacy organization praises the people who destruct privacy. Is this fake or do you prepare to also get money from the new administration? Freedom of speech does not mean freedom for harassment!
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Well, your applause sounds incredibly naive. So is the EFF positioning themselves for the new administration as well?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

There are exactly two groups of people who think Meta has an "over-censorship problem":
- artists who want to post nudes
- bigots of all kind who want to post hate and lies

Which group are you in, EFF?

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in reply to JKB

This sounds like a USA / USA-ish take, mb also applicable to EU but i don't know.

I can't post any meaningful fundraiser on Instagram, even absolutely humanitarian stuff like medical supplies or clothes for wounded and/or displaced people. Meta on it's platforms just silently reduces my reach down to almost 0, sometimes literally zero, and acts like nothing is happening.

Sometimes a Ukrainian can't even post something about their daily lives if something war-related, like a person in the uniform, something very common on our streets, is in the frame.

Many times it feels like Meta is trying deliberately to make people believe there's no war in my country, disallowing us to mention it or it's daily consequences. But in reality it's probably something very trivial like "tragedy is bad vibes advertisers don't like it"

@SnoopJ @eff

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in reply to Yurii

@sichkovskyi @SnoopJ The problem of algorithmic timelines and the weight (or lack thereof) given to certain "sensitive" topics is indeed a very serious problem, and I think it applies worldwide on these so-called platforms. That problem is amplified by these platforms pushing polarising stuff as they're really farming for outrage. Facebook with an entirely chronological feed and no "suggestions" for rage-bait content would be an entirely different experience, I think.

What I meant is when you take a look at who complains the most or the loudest about what kind of speech Facebook suppresses (aka the people who talk about "censorship", or in this case "over-censorship") they usually fall down into one of the two categories I mentioned here (more often the latter than the former, artists have given up the fight it seems).

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me the very words "over-censorship" hint at libertarian leanings at best and far-right leanings most likely.

I mean… come on! The EFF is celebrating the fact that you can now say being gay is a mental disease, and that women are property.

(cheers from Belgium, I hope 2025 is the year you guys finally break free from the Russian aggression)

in reply to JKB

@jkb

Oh yes, if you mean just the wording including the term "censorship" then you are absolutely right. Didn't think about that at first.

Just automatically thought they mean what I would mean but clearly that's two different worlds me and them live in :neofox_mug:

@SnoopJ

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You're a smart bunch. You know this is not a good-faith effort. We don't have to pretend it is.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You're saluting Meta for encouraging and monetizing hate speech and oppressing critics of American fascists posing as conservatives and libertarians. Are you that naive about the intention of the Zuckerberg, Musk, Thiel, Trump, the GOP, etc ?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

it's obviously a political maneuver and they're specifically saying they now allow calls for domestic violence. Meanwhile they passed another policy which explicitly prohibiting criticisms of the company itself or its billionaire executives. Yeah they're clearly all about the free speech, huh? What the actual fuck is wrong with the EFF that you are *celebrating* these petty tyrants??
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I don’t think an explicit carve-out allowing bullying and harassment of queer and trans people under the guise of “mental illness” is a good-faith effort of any sort, but go off.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

theonion.com/why-do-all-these-…
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

if you're buying this shit I have a bridge to sell you, too

god

the wide-eyed naivety of this statement

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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You're either short-sighted, foolish, or complicit. Which part of this move is intended to flood the world with disinformation and supremacist ideologies do you not understand?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Don't give money to people who support Nazis and Transphobic content like @eff. Find someone on the Fedi who needs a hand. Don't reward this
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

making specific carve outs so queer people can be harassed but others can't is fixing an over-censorship problem now? for real? you can't possibly be this gullible
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@eniko well they also sided with kiwifarms comparing actions against it to censorship... that (and their pro-crypto stance) made me stop donating to them.
in reply to Bernie the Wordsmith

@berniethewordsmith @eniko they went with the slippery slope argument, if we allow a service provider to deplatform actual nazis who have actually led people to their deaths what will be next? eff.org/deeplinks/2022/10/inte…
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@eniko @cygnathreadbare The right wants everything for the right and nothing for others and it is jaaaaaaaaarring that someone at the EFF though this was a cool article to publish right now. I swear, there has to be some kind of strange illness going around on tech circles making people hitting publish on the most unhinged stuff
in reply to Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@eniko @cygnathreadbare @berniethewordsmith
Later in December of 2022, they got together with other technolibertarian orgs to make a site called "Protect The Stack". They posit it as more than just Cloudflare dropping KF that they're concerned about, but why did they only get it up and running just a couple months after a major win against a hate site, if that was the case?

eff.org/press/releases/interna…

They also put this out in August 2023, when an ISP used its Acceptable Use Policy and also the general principles of Freedom Of Association to stop doing business with KF.

eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps…

They really seem to love going to bat for that site, even if they say they condemn the actions of said site. The EFF can't stop wringing its hands about slippery slopes and it's embarrassing.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

The #EFF has become nothing but a lapdog, a dutiful mouthpiece for the advance of global #Oligarchy and #Kleptocracy

For shame, for shame

Except that no one within the EFF has any shame

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

It seems to me that the far right and their big-tech lackeys have been using "free speech" as a fig leaf for their borderline-fascistic policies for years now, and the idea that an organization with the explicit goal of fighting harmful censorship is somehow not wise to this already is baffling to me. How on earth do you expect to accomplish anything, or be taken at all seriously, if you fall for this kind of obvious bullshit?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This absolute shitpile -- and similar; this is not the first time you've screwed the pooch this way -- is why I no longer support you financially.

You know why this is fucked up. Shame on you, and fix your hearts.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

what possible can go wrong if a company profiting from emotional engagement is asking for emotional escalation.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Update: After this blog post was written, we learned Meta revised its public "Hateful Conduct" policy in ways EFF finds concerning. We are analyzing these changes, which this blog post does not address.

Mark Newton reshared this.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

So

You didn't do your homework and blew it completely

And now you're trying to cover your *ss

Not buying it

Not buying it for one second

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You’re either against hate speech or you’re for it. There’s no “middle” on this.

You picked the wrong side.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

update: Facebook has always been rammed full of hateful conduct regardless of whatever they've ever written in any sort of "policy", sweetie x
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

maybe next time ask literally any internet savvy marginalized person before you write in your fucking blog
in reply to Nora Reed

I saw THAT blog posted by eff, about the same time I saw someone working in the eff shitting on Facebook, on my timeline.
They can just literally ask some of their employees. They choose not to. 😅
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

when have y'all ever found bigotry concerning? When people united to put public pressure on to drop protection from hateful sites like KiwiFarms, and they succeeded, you wrung your hands about it, and later that year created a "Protect The Stack" site. And then the year after that, an ISP dropped them for violating their Acceptable Use Policy and Corynne McSherry (who oh-so-bravely wrote anonymously) wrote about how it was concerning and we need to keep Protecting Bigots Free Speech- I mean "The Stack". eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps…
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

maybe take a minute and read it, especially from a company that has spent decades being awful, before writing how great it is.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

yeaaaa yall this is not aging well, hate speech inciting harm against vulnerable groups is an exception.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

analyze this change while you're at it: i am switching to privacy possum. i don't trust privacy software maintained by facebook sycophants.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot and loosing so many supporters by defending this. This is so disappointing.
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

good lord, it’s only January 9th and you dumb fucks have already achieved the worst take of the year. That one’s going to take some beating.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

So, when's the post-mortem coming out about how your org missed the mark by so much here? As a supporter, I'd really like to know the thought process that brought you to this point.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

so who decided it was smart to endorse without reading, if that's really what happened here? do you OFTEN endorse shit without reading it? as an organization, is that how you want us to believe you operate? And you think this makes you look BETTER, not just as bad, maybe even worse?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

no surprises coming from the same people who tried to whitewash and defend kiwifarms. y'all just a bunch of creeps, like the Zuck and the Musk.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

i cannot believe that in the year 2025, you actually let someone basically write a 'no actually, we should hear the Nazis out, they might have good ideas' article.

You're fucking idiots if you think that granting such largess to demonstrably bad faith actors is going anywhere good.

You *do not* tolerate intolerance.
It's a social pact we make to tolerate others to ensure a peaceful society.

Break the pact, prepare to get whacked.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You, as an org, need to do some SERIOUS self-examination, taking the words of the marginalized well into account. Deeply shameful.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

If you had just arrived on Earth you may be forgiven for giving Meta the benefit of the doubt.

It looks deeply foolish now though. They are beyond redemption.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Good, I figured y'all just hadn't gotten the full picture.

To a lot of people, it seemed there for a moment y'all were going mask-off in support of social manipulation and corporate greed. A scary direction for the EFF.

Saying that to your Fedi audience... 😰

In today's day and age, it's not just what is censored but what is also promoted. Hate speech and factual misinformation were already rampant of the Meta platforms, as they are on the X platform. Social media companies are companies, they will follow what they think will bring them profit and follow what they believe the trend is. Right now, they believe far-right politicians represent their best interests and far-right ideology is trending. Therefore, it makes sense to calibrate their policies and algorithms to support those ideas.

If these platforms were neutral, removing this censorship would already be a pretty bad idea. These platforms definitely aren't neutral, and they already had tremendous issues with content related to hate speech before this decision.

Even 4chan has moderation, it shouldn't be more moderated than the one service our collective grandparents were actually motivated to figure out how to use.

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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Imma be real, I expect more reading comprehension for an org of your size an importance. You really took your mask off for this one. Especially by leaving the original post up.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

you fucking idiots saw Zuck making an announcement full of blatant dogwhistles and decided to fucking cheer on him. Then went "whoops, we didn't expect this" when the obvious thing happened.

The only thing you can do to regain any reputation is to delete your post IMMEDIATELY and fucking write an apology explaining how you could possibly fuck up so much.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Yeah, no, wholly inadequate.

I don't see an apology here to all the people (myself included) you just threw under the hate bus.

We deserve one. An ABJECT one. Y'all seriously screwed the pooch. Own it and apologize.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

took no time to praise Meta and now taking a long time to decide that homophobia, racism and sexism might be bad, got to think more about it
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I'm reminded of that time you bankrolled the legal defense of a jackass who'd harassed friends of mine

they were queer

I stopped donating at that point

you've been like this for a while

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

By the time we shared this statement, the conversation had understandably shifted toward Meta's dangerous new content policy. It was a mistake to project good faith onto the company, which quickly showed it was not deserving of it. For a full analysis, see eff.org/deeplinks/2025/01/meta…

reshared this

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

The projecting good faith isn't shattered due to the lack of content policy being what it was. It concerns data privacy in general. EFF ought to know this better than most.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

it was a mistake to project good faith onto the company in this the year 2025?

8 years after the Rohingya genocide? You still gave them the benefit of the doubt?

Is there any kind of internal self-evaluation happening at the organization or even in your own heads asking yourselves why you made such a poor choice? In, and I cannot stress this enough…. 2025?

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Is this it? This isn't an apology, and people you initially would let Meta throw under the bus deserve one. I suggest another post in which you properly address your *own* failures, instead of doing so in passing then moving on to Meta's.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Of course it was a mistake to project good faith onto Meta. The fact this wasn’t obvious to you in the first place is depressing. Can we trust the analysis of an organization that is so out of touch?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I have tried to encourage people to leave Meta - so far with poor results. The way they make money with people's vulnerability and increase polarization of the society is just not right.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

you're flogging a dead horse by pointing out "oh yeah Meta is still bad actually oops" and suggesting what they must/should/could do as if they will ever in our lifetimes do it beyond protecting their bottom line and reputation in the press with performative and empty gestures.
Stop wasting your energy with this, apologise fully and meaningfully for your repeated naivety and trust for Meta and finally encourage its abandonment and suffocation while elevating its community owned alternatives
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I think the reason meta is doing this is that they are finally realizing that their content moderation is not actually representative of what their users actually want and that they feel threatened by alt tech sites like minds, mastodon, Bluesky, gab, Parler, truth, Gettr, rumble, peertube and others. Note that their new policy doesn't go as far in either direction as other alt tech sites because they are probably taking a middle of the road approach. I agree with what meta is doing here because I am skeptical of unlimited corporate power over what we do, read, buy, eat and think. I think it is sad that people are so used to corporations controlling what you get to read, write, think, eat and buy that they feel scared that the corporations realize this isn't sustainable. That said I do not trust meta and will never use their platforms. I do not think meta is fully being sincere about their mistakes or that they are changing for the better.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

no shit "it was a mistake to project good faith onto Meta", where you living under a rock this last decade?

I cannot believe I donated to your org at some point, you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Y'all will do or say anything to avoid OWNING YOUR SHIT, won't you?

Own. Your. Shit.

You've been simping for hate for a long time. Figure out how you're going to NOT DO THAT ANY MORE, apologize for doing it at all, and then don't do it again.

You get not one penny and not one word of praise from me until you fix your hearts and your practices.

in reply to Dorothea Salo

N.b. I'm a librarian. Libraries have totally pulled the same "we're neutral" and "the fix for bad speech is MOAR SPEECH" bullshit you've been pulling all this time.

I teach soon-to-be librarians now why this is not okay and how to move beyond it. The profession hasn't caught up with what I'm teaching yet, but I teach the way I do so that it will, someday.

You can change. You should change. Free speech absolutism is no longer acceptable. Grow up.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

you know, normally i'd expect you to read the policy you say you support before you do a glowing PR piece in favor? either someone there's a full-blown nazi or you're remarkably incompetent
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

:dril: issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group ISIL. you do not, under any circumstances, 'gotta hand it to them.'
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

oopsie-woopsie!!! we suppported fascism and now people are mad at us!!! even though their fucking intentions were laid completely bare from the start!

the only people who would ever be concerned that Facebook was "over-censoring" were fascists who wanted to spew hate speech. Only them. give us one good reason to believe you aren't nazi sympathizers.

idiots.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Even taking this statement at face value, it’s an incredibly weak response. Zuck’s statement was quite clear in its embrace of facism for the US. What analysis could you possibly be waiting on to respond?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Do better EFF. This is libertarian lipstick on a fascist pig. Orgs like yours aren't going to be able to triangulate your way out of the situation we're in now. It's time to choose which side of the struggle against fascism you're really on
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

There really is no middle ground here, EFF. Meta has made clear what they are about to do.
The content they are going to allow is anti-democratic, fascist, discriminatory, and hateful.
Talking about "over-censorship" in that context is just cynical and honestly disgusting in my eyes.

We need to condemn any act that leads to a further spread and normalization of neo-fascist ideology and hate before fascism will end free speech once and for all.

So, on what "analysis results" are you waiting for?! They made their stance clear. Get yours straight, please!

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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

until you apologize and take steps to repair the damage you caused by supporting weev, a serial sexual abuser and white nationalist, you're not gonna win hearts and minds.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

If a government or de facto governing body does not also protect our rights from being taken away *by other private parties* then the very concept of rights is useless. Speech that removes the rights of others to speak or live or pursue happiness, speech like intimidation, threat, and harassment, is not protected by current US law, and should not be supported in principle by the EFF.

If I am too afraid to express my queerness, because I've been threatened, traumatized, and attacked regularly online, both directly and indirectly, then people who want me to shut up have free speech and I do not.

Do better.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

@eff you had one job before endorsing meta’s plan, read it. You gave your support to hate speech and anti-lgbt policies. You can rightly fuck off because the damage is done. I am so disappointed by ya’ll
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Left hand obviously not talking to right hand.
Pull the article for a day for editing before this spins farther
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

homophobia, transphobia, meta

Sensitive content

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

::slow, grim chuckle::

Libertarians love to pretend big corporations are good, actually.

So easily conned.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

yeah go ahead and applaud their direct cooperation with the trump administration, notorious proponents of "anti-censorship"
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

i liked vijaya gadde in 2015: "free speech isn't free if people aren't safe" washingtonpost.com/posteveryth… i wonder if the EFF would agree with that statement
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

not sure if you guys are dumb or just boot lickers... It is shameful either way.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Hi! It appears someone hacked your web site and started posting press releases aligning with fascists. You should probably change your password and log out. Thanks! -Rey, former member
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

after this shit response i'm glad i didn't get around to donating to EFF at the end of 2024
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

I didn’t realize it was April 1st already.

What on EARTH is this? Have you forgotten about Facebook’s outsized political influence in 2016?

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

dear me! Read what you wrote, and think deeply if it makes sense. "Fix its over-censorship problem", really? 🙄
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

by all appearances, Meta's announcement today is just soon-to-be-FCC-Chairman Carr's plans laid out in Project 2025, section 28 on FCC: documentcloud.org/documents/24…

In particular, the move to TX looks like a reason to cozy up to TX HB 20 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Ho…), as suggested–by Carr, the author of this section of Project 2025–on p849.

in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

How are you not seeing what this obviously is? They want to allow more hate speech. That's it.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

what

"We applaud the leopards' announcement of their new, vegan diet, which will in no way include our faces"

What are you for?

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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

is there anything in the history of Facebook or Zuckerberg to support this rosy optimism?
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

it's impressive that you can objectively react to the recent news. But it's way too early to applaud what is extremely unlikely.
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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Y'all know this ain't a good faith effort, right?... knowing what their platforms have devolved too, right?...
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

Zuckerberg is a Trump bootlicker... And nothing his company did was in good faith. Meta's only goal is profit, no matter the consequences.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

This is a dumb take that will age like fine milk, raw meat and a million flies left out on a warm day.
in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

You absolute idiots EFF, you dare to even suggest this is a "good faith effort" after that speech?

Has the EFF been bought off or something?

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in reply to Electronic Frontier Foundation

It's pretty clear that this is not Zuck trying to be "good". It's just giving Nazis a voice, and very likely censoring anyone opposed to Zuck or Trump (or other Nazis)
It is a political action
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if you ever thought this is in good faith then you need to get your brain checked
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I see this has already aged poorly. I'm hoping the "concern" for the changes to their hate speech policy evolves into hostility because it seems that Meta products are about to become radioactive for all manner of marginalised people.
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"Update: After this blog post was written, we learned Meta revised its public "Hateful Conduct" policy in ways EFF finds concerning. We are analyzing these changes, which this blog post does not address."
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"Over-censorship"? I understand that y'all have been watching a LOT of things in recent years with the rampant enshittification of the Internet, but how did you totally miss how Marky Mark and the Zuckerbunch are NEVER good-faith actors in anything other than what makes their shareholders money and keeps the right-wing in power across the world?
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You applaud Zuck's transparent efforts to kiss Trump's ass? Really? How embarrassing for you.
"We sincerely hope that the lightened restrictions announced by Meta will apply uniformly, and not just to hot-button U.S. political topics"
LMAO, you can't be *that* gullible

"Censorship, broadly, is not the answer to misinformation"
Ah right, so Facebook could have avoided its role in the Rohingya genocide by… I dunno, community notes saying "some people think massacres are bad, actually"? 🤔

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Welcome to the inadvertent censorship represented by gagging oneself with the bulk of one's own foot.
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so how much did Zuckerberg pay you to pen this bootlicking puff piece?

Just go ahead and change your user avatar to Pepe the frog like the rest of the "Free Speech (specifically and only for Nazis)" brigade.

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And that's a "who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool" from me.

Moderation isn't censorship, it's enabling a fair playing-field.

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congrats on supporting the fascists, then backpedaling when everyone ratio'd your ass.
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The only organisations that ever have a problem with "over-censorship" are #fascist organisations.

And if and when you applaud fascists, you are one.

#blocked

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Seriously?

transparency.meta.com/policies…

Section "Tier 2". It's ok to dump on the mental health of gay or trans people?

What is wrong with you?

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So you saw this bit and thought "well, maybe they mean it in a good-faith way":

> We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like “weird.”

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oh come ON. Facebook is nearly TWENTY years old. We have so much ample evidence of their intents and trustworthiness. EFF are usually more savvy than this.

POSIWID: Purpose of a system is what it does. Don’t put scare quotes around “mistakes”. Say flat out why we think this explanation is absurd. They are long past any benefit of any doubt. They now should receive the full weight of doubt. They earned our skepticism year after year, cynical reversal after cynical reversal.

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respectfully, I think that you (the person in charge of this account) perhaps don't quite realize what this actually means, and why we're not happy about it. This isn't a play at making these platforms more transparent or democratized, this is to allow hate speech that financially benefits the platform to spread unimpeded. They now have carte blanch to allow their algorithms to further agitate and misinform their user base into capital H harmful beliefs that can cause physical, material harm to others.

In short, I think calling this a bad take is an understatement. Perhaps... Read the room. You probably would have picked up the general vibe on this subject was extremely negative by the kinds of people who are often aligned with EFF values.

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The article is in fact not as bad as most people point out. The worst part is the last paragraph, which is also used as intro in this toot. It goes against the rest of the article where the EFF points out censorship against minorities, which should effectively not be done.

Unfortunately, having listened to Mark's ramblings in his 6-minute video, what Meta calls "Free Speech" is mostly "Free Hate". Combining with algorithms which push for more engagement, and the human brain which lusts after controversies and hate, this is just a recipe for disaster.

Anyway, time to write that last message on WhatsApp and ditch my final link with Meta...

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wtf is going on in your brains? over-censorship? is this like the superlative of dumb: overdumbestdumbass? no offense, just asking.
@pluralistic whats going on there? maybe the next essay could be about braineating worms?
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I'm sorry to say this, but you sound so incredibly naive that it borders on irresponsibility.
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You've had one day since the original mistaken post, and 18hrs since the poor follow up. Better get posting some retractions or lose what little faith you might still have
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consider my membership canceled. I supported you in the past regardless of your problematic views around free speech absolutism because you paid lawyers to support things I cared about, such as privacy laws. This I cannot overlook.
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qoto.org/@olives/1138012482552…
"The EFF's proposed fact checking alternative isn't even that good. Let's suppose someone makes a post debunking an American myth like sex trafficking statistics. A small group of people might decide to "correct" that."