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Seems like #owncloud package will leave #debian repos as both teams don't manage to find an good cooperative workflow:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=816376

#816376 - Unfit upstream - Debian Bug report logs

That would be a pity :/ Fedora already closed the doors...

Maybe it's time for a fork?

That's not my favorie option, but an upstream being not cooperative to major distributions, is not good for the users. See Nagios and Icinga.

I'm not that familar with the problem itself. I heared by an OC dev in my town, that debian packaging isn't easy to manage and. And yes I guess it's not pretty compatible with agile development. On the other hand, if you are in CI and have good code quality it shouldn't be impossible to convince other nerds about the quality of your project...

Packaging is not that difficult in Debian, I'd say, but, well, agile development might be a problem. However, I'm not a big fan of Agile Development in general. I prefer clean, stable software with steady, albeit maybe slow development cycles. I want to use my computer and software and not deal with ever changing software. I have a life beside computers...

This is what happens if things grow up to be too big , it will start dictating terms. It happened with Systemd case and same will happen with owncloud. The #debian project will suffer. 😞

@Ingo I guess this depends on the specific usecase. For example, it took me some time to find out, that the most XMPP clients in debian are just pretty outdated and don't play well with most modern server features...

As a Debian user, I don't need a constant barrage of new features. Owncloud could be a bit more careful in their programming. I mean, what is this thing about not being able to upgrade from one release to 3 releases later? That's just sloppy programming. And yes, Debian users and devs can be quite asocial too, I notice that on forums all the time. They could just give in a little bit and make an exception for certain packages, just like they are doing whenever a new Firefox ESR release comes out. Of course, with a software like Owncloud, it's very hard work to keep something as stable as we Debian users are used to.

I don't think Debian will suffer because of that, as Owncloud is just one use case.

Maybe Owncloud should look in to creating their own debian based distro specifically and optimised to run owncloud.

Nah, they'll just tell you to use a distro that allows more frequent upgrades. I mean, maintaining a new distro is too much work.
But any distro needs to respect end user / admin control over things;

Yes, Debian respects the fact that most Debian users want a slow-moving distro where things don't require constant tweaking. I don't think that the people who want fresh software are in the majority here, especially since there are many similar alternatives: you can use Ubuntu or Trisquel if you want a more libre distro. There's no need to convert Debian here, LTS Ubuntu has a similar commitment to stability, but makes it easier for you to install some fresher packages (through the more responsive PPA system).

Maybe Owncloud should look in to creating their own debian based distro specifically and optimised to run owncloud.

But at the same time recognise people want to do it manually, But any distro needs to respect end user / admin control over things;

@Matthias Ämmm, well... contrary to Owncloud devs other developers like Prosody or Jitsi devs do not have this kind of problems with Debian packaging and provide own repositories that play nicely with the rest of Debian.

When Owncloud devs are unable to do so, despite of lack of interest or lack of technical knowledge, it doesn't speak for their piece of software they want people to use.

, it doesn’t speak for their piece of software they want people to use.

I am already looking for alternatives Buddycloud, Kolab & cozy .